Scarier ghosts.

Post by **turin** » September 24th, 2004, 9:34 pm

Bander wrote:It would be really cool if we could see Neo's Shadow at 50% Transparency in game. *wink* *wink*

screenshots of that have been shown. It still looks too hulking.

Bander wrote:Put all of the possible shadows next to each other on the same screen with other units, if you really want to see which one looks best.

Done - Jetryl's is best in terms of concept, Neo's is good but not for a shadow, pickslide's is just an edit of a bad base, so, while better than current, it should probably not go in-game.
At this point, i would say both Jetryl's and Neoriceisgood's would actually be a downgrade from what is in-game right now. they just aren't shadows.

Bander wrote:I would do this myself, but I don't know how to alpha shade stuff, or replace graphics.

use gimp.

Post by **Neoriceisgood** » September 24th, 2004, 9:52 pm

We need something like

That one's from lufia 2, I think the problem with shadows is; that making them pure black is the only way to make them "work"

Elvish_Pillager · September 24th, 2004, 10:00 pm

Neoriceisgood wrote:We need something like

That one's from lufia 2, I think the problem with shadows is; that making them pure black is the only way to make them "work"

Jetryl's works, IMO.

Bander · Post by **Bander** » September 24th, 2004, 10:24 pm

turin wrote:It still looks too hulking.

I don't really know what you mean.

I think neo's is a fine shadow, because it looks like you could have a bunch of elves talking around a camp fire and one goes

"heh.. Shadows... we dont have to worry about those guys around here, after all, they are just the absence of light har har" As a giant nightgaunt silently rises up behind him and cleanly seperates his head from his body.

I think it looks stealthy huge and deadly.
If you mean a kind of hunched over pose, I think that this makes it look more like it's ready to spring into action, it adds ome movement to a static frame.

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » September 24th, 2004, 10:52 pm

I'm just curious about how a shadow should look from the point of view of a lead graphic developer or the original author of the shadow.

Post by **Pickslide** » September 25th, 2004, 2:20 am

I really think the flattish look is key to the shadow being a shadow and unique. Also, it reminds me a lot of Warcraft 3's shade...

Here, I even drew 2 attack frames, and put it to 95% transparancy.
The attack might be too weird for wesnoth, but I thought it was funny and it was fun.

These are really mostly me taking a little time to relax between homeworks, but I do think they are an improvement of the original sprite without losing any of the original character, which I think the other from scratch redo's lose.

XJaPaN · Post by **XJaPaN** » September 25th, 2004, 11:59 am

Very good Shadow

Elvish_Pillager · September 25th, 2004, 12:05 pm

Far too many straight lines.

Post by **turin** » September 25th, 2004, 2:14 pm

IMHO the solidity of the current shadow is the worst part. The pose is not really that bad, just not great. the blue-cardboard-cutout feel of it sucks, though.

Here is my attempt at a shadow... not great, but IMHO the basic idea is better than the current ones.

(i'm not even going to argue with the people pushing for neoricegood's shadow... because obviously its pointless...)

Elvish_Pillager · September 25th, 2004, 2:19 pm

IMO the current shadow looks great in-game, although Jetryl's would be better...

Post by **Neoriceisgood** » September 25th, 2004, 2:25 pm

Turin: who'se talking about coporeal ? that thing looks more like a blob.

I think the "shadow" is such an annoying unit that how bad or good any gfx might be, it's just not "fit" in turins eyes =)

Post by **turin** » September 25th, 2004, 2:32 pm

Neoriceisgood wrote:Turin: who'se talking about coporeal ? that thing looks more like a blob.

I think the "shadow" is such an annoying unit that how bad or good any gfx might be, it's just not "fit" in turins eyes =)

I didn't say mine was great; i said the IDEA behind it was better than yours, IMHO

If you hadn't noticed, i think Jetryl's is fit.

The only reason i'm not saying it should be in-game is most people don't support it... so i think he should improve it a bit, THEN i'll support it.

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » September 25th, 2004, 2:44 pm

Turin's shadow looks more like a wraith, also seems a rock!

Plasticgod · Post by **Plasticgod** » September 25th, 2004, 3:34 pm

turin wrote:I didn't say mine was great; i said the IDEA behind it was better than yours, IMHO

If you hadn't noticed, i think Jetryl's is fit. The only reason i'm not saying it should be in-game is most people don't support it... so i think he should improve it a bit, THEN i'll support it.

Well, explain your Idea, because the only things that we can understand by the Images is some sort of muddish thing (Indeed, it reminds me some sort o PokÃƒÂ¨mon, Muk or something like that if I'm right).
So, what's your basic idea?
Something that comes from terrain?
Something that is "squishy"?
Explain, because It's impossible to understand your idea by an image that have nothing to do with the units we are talking about.

Post by **turin** » September 25th, 2004, 4:17 pm

Plasticgod wrote:
turin wrote:I didn't say mine was great; i said the IDEA behind it was better than yours, IMHO

If you hadn't noticed, i think Jetryl's is fit. The only reason i'm not saying it should be in-game is most people don't support it... so i think he should improve it a bit, THEN i'll support it.
Well, explain your Idea, because the only things that we can understand by the Images is some sort of muddish thing (Indeed, it reminds me some sort o PokÃƒÂ¨mon, Muk or something like that if I'm right).
So, what's your basic idea?
Something that comes from terrain?
Something that is "squishy"?
Explain, because It's impossible to understand your idea by an image that have nothing to do with the units we are talking about.

I'm saying i think my idea of the shadow (not some bgi hulking monster, more like a Magic the Gathering Shade) works better for the shadow.

I'm not that great an artist, thats why you can't tell it exactly. But really i think its easier to tell whats going on than that.