Platoon Wars Era (Ex-Infantry Wars Era)

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Hello, I'd like to introduce a new era I made.

It's called it the Infantry War era, and it comprises two factions, a Military faction and a Terrorist Faction fighting each other with firearms(mostly).
It has 12 MP Maps, with several goals, and 5 types of maps(Normal PvP Maps, Plant/Defuse the Bomb,Capture the Flag, King of the Hill, Escape/Assassination).

Infantry Wars units

Any suggestions and bug reports are welcome.

[ForestDragon]

Nice! looks promising

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Update, added a new units, Machine Gun nest and made a few changes to the map included in the era.

[ForestDragon]

Hi, so, I played the era a bit, and it's not bad, but extremely raw, here is some feedback/critique:
1.the add-on description barely says anything, could you make it a bit more detailed?. also, no need to mention the version in the add-on's name
2.also, the era description (when selection the era) is missing. you should add one.
3.in the faction selection menu you should add a 'random' option (just add the '{RANDOM_SIDE}' inside the [era] tag)
4.the gun attack icons have a white background. it would look better if these attack icons had black background just like most attack icons
5.it would be nice if you added at least lvl2 troops, or at least make the troops have interesting AMLAs, like Kaleh (protagonist) in the 'Under the Burning Suns' campaign
6.some units' defense animations don't appear in some cases, i think you should replace defense animations like this:

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{DEFENSE_ANIM_FILTERED "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-pistol-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-pistol-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} (
        [filter_second_attack]
            name=Beretta Model 84,Smith and Wesson Model 29,Colt M1911,Glock 17
        [/filter_second_attack]
    )}
{DEFENSE_ANIM_FILTERED "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} (
        [filter_second_attack]
            name=Colt Python,.454 Casull
        [/filter_second_attack]
    )}

with something like this:

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{DEFENSE_ANIM "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} }

because having defense animations against specific attacks doesn't make much sense in most cases, and makes it harder to add new units.
7.MG Nest is slightly overpowered, do the following nerfs: make his fire resistance -60%, hp, reduce arcane/blade/cold/pierce resistances to 30%, and impact resistance to -10%. also, change the attack to 6-6. horever, you could make the MG nest still able to use the grenade
8.since you have kitchen terrain in the addon's folder, you could add a map that is a mediocre-sized settlement which terrorists are trying to attack (duh), and naturally, counter-terrorists try to prevent that from happening
9.add an option for MG Nest to climb out, and become a machine gunner (requires the MG Nest not have attacked on it's turn. when the Machine Gunner climbs out, he can move/attack, but only has has 3 mp)
10.make Infantry Wars units have a custom race: 'IW Humans', which have no traits, by using the 'ignore_global_traits=yes' inside the [race] tag (since currently, the traits affect the IW units way too much) and also, it will make it easier to look at their descriptions when there other eras with humans installed
11.you have a shotgun unit in the era's files, but you don't use it. could you implement it?
12.also, you could make the Sniper/Marksman, and some other units able to shoot a few tiles across (look at 'Ranged Attacks' MP mod. you could borrow most of the code from there)

also, maybe change it's name to alpha instead of beta?

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Spoiler:

Hi, so, I played the era a bit, and it's not bad, but extremely raw, here is some feedback/critique:
1.the add-on description barely says anything, could you make it a bit more detailed?. also, no need to mention the version in the add-on's name
2.also, the era description (when selection the era) is missing. you should add one.
3.in the faction selection menu you should add a 'random' option (just add the '{RANDOM_SIDE}' inside the [era] tag)
4.the gun attack icons have a white background. it would look better if these attack icons had black background just like most attack icons
5.it would be nice if you added at least lvl2 troops, or at least make the troops have interesting AMLAs, like Kaleh (protagonist) in the 'Under the Burning Suns' campaign
6.some units' defense animations don't appear in some cases, i think you should replace defense animations like this:

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{DEFENSE_ANIM_FILTERED "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-pistol-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-pistol-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} (
        [filter_second_attack]
            name=Beretta Model 84,Smith and Wesson Model 29,Colt M1911,Glock 17
        [/filter_second_attack]
    )}
{DEFENSE_ANIM_FILTERED "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} (
        [filter_second_attack]
            name=Colt Python,.454 Casull
        [/filter_second_attack]
    )}

with something like this:

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{DEFENSE_ANIM "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-2.png" "units/Counter-Terrorists/CT-Casull-defend-1.png" {SOUND_LIST:HUMAN_HIT} }

because having defense animations against specific attacks doesn't make much sense in most cases, and makes it harder to add new units.
7.MG Nest is slightly overpowered, do the following nerfs: make his fire resistance -60%, hp, reduce arcane/blade/cold/pierce resistances to 30%, and impact resistance to -10%. also, change the attack to 6-6. horever, you could make the MG nest still able to use the grenade
8.since you have kitchen terrain in the addon's folder, you could add a map that is a mediocre-sized settlement which terrorists are trying to attack (duh), and naturally, counter-terrorists try to prevent that from happening
9.add an option for MG Nest to climb out, and become a machine gunner (requires the MG Nest not have attacked on it's turn. when the Machine Gunner climbs out, he can move/attack, but only has has 3 mp)
10.make Infantry Wars units have a custom race: 'IW Humans', which have no traits, by using the 'ignore_global_traits=yes' inside the [race] tag (since currently, the traits affect the IW units way too much) and also, it will make it easier to look at their descriptions when there other eras with humans installed
11.you have a shotgun unit in the era's files, but you don't use it. could you implement it?
12.also, you could make the Sniper/Marksman, and some other units able to shoot a few tiles across (look at 'Ranged Attacks' MP mod. you could borrow most of the code from there)

also, maybe change it's name to alpha instead of beta?

That's some nice feedback. Thank you.
Also I'll look into that bug in ZA.

Answers:

Spoiler:

1 & 2-Sure I can, I have been rather lazy that's why I haven't done that lol
3-Done.
4-I'm afraid the attack icons would look sort of blurry, most of them being black or dark grey against a black background.
5-Most likely I'll add lvl 2 troops(veterans) or something along the lines sometime in the future.
6-Really? That's odd, I'll look into it. Are you sure have the latest version? I did have an issue with Terrorists defenses yesterday but I think had fixed them all in version 1.0.3.
7-I might make them a little weaker, also I'm planning to add a restriction such as that MG Nests can be built if there are no enemy units in a 2 hexes radius.
8-Sometime in the future I am going to add a city-like map. This project began less than 48 hs ago, and I was actually planning to make a PvP map for ZA, and I ended up resurrecting an old idea of T vs CT era.
9-They actually did have that option, but I got rid of it this version because I thought it could be abused for healing purposes.
10-Sure, I can do that too.
11-I'd like to use them, I have to think of a way to make them unique and useful.
12-I'll look into it, actually I was thinking of making snipers able to move after attacking, sort of a hit-and-run unit.

[ForestDragon]

6-Really? That's odd, I'll look into it. Are you sure have the latest version? I did have an issue with Terrorists defenses yesterday but I think had fixed them all in version 1.0.3.

I have 1.0.3b

9-They actually did have that option, but I got rid of it this version because I thought it could be abused for healing purposes.

in order to prevent that, you can make the machine gunners' hp stored before they turn into MG nests, and unstored when they go back to normal

11-I'd like to use them, I have to think of a way to make them unique and useful.

well, maybe make them have powerful attacks, but slow firing rate (for example, 18-1 melee, or something like that)

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Update: I've been implemented some of the changes mentioned in the topic.
-Added a shotgun unit.
-Race
-Changed most of the unit attack and defenses slightly. I am trying to make Army and Terror units a bit more different from each other. (Terror units being possibly more stealthy, night-time oriented, possible use of chemical weapons as poison and improvised weapons.)

It would be cool if someone wants to help and give me some ideas about more changes and ways to balance both factions, units.
I don't have so much time anymore, so if anybody wants to collaborate, it is welcome.

[ForestDragon]

more feedback:
1.the 'IW Humans' race needs this in order to work (make a file in the 'units' folder with the [race] tag code, otherwise it won't work) also, here is my version of the it:

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    [race]
        id=IW_Humans
        male_name= _ "race^IW Human"
        female_name= _ "race+female^IW Human"
        plural_name= _ "race^IW Humans"
        description= _ ""
        num_traits=0
        ignore_global_traits=yes
        markov_chain_size=2
        {HUMAN_NAMES}
    [/race]

2.also, the terrorist Sniper's movement type doesn't exist
3.Soldier's defense animation doesn't exist
EDIT:4.i feel that Terrorists are a bit overpowered in some cases, or sometimes identical. anyway, here are some ideas:
-make Terrorist Ranger have 'concealment', but Miltary Ranger have a 10-1 HE grenade
-make all melee attacks ranged, and make the ones that are ranged have a custom range: long-ranged, or something like that. this will make the era a bit more mainline-friendly
-Molotov Coctail is currently not single-use. fix that. also, make it 10-1, or something

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

New version:
I updated some animations and now there are 3, bigger, MP maps.
Next update I'll probably work on units balance. I need time to get some ideas.

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Version 1.0.8 is released and it has got quite a lot of changes in both Military and Terrorists units, including their movetypes, attacks, images and some animations too. I gave terrorists the ability to plant bombs in the map(max 2 bombs per team).

[ForestDragon]

some feedback:
1.Medic still has no defense animation, same goes for RPG
2.in the new maps, could you make it clearer about the location of village ovelays? like adding images to the hexes, and making the map description mention about them.
3.you could use this attack icon for HE Grenade/Molotov Cocktail/other exlosives:

explosion-orange-2.png (9.51 KiB) Viewed 12259 times

5.Chemical unit has no proper animation for his ranged attack
4.Medics use the white mage halo when healing. remove it.
5.Terrorist Chemical unit uses a mask-less animation for his pistol attack. add a masked variant, specifically for his unit
6.Tank's cannon attack could use the thunderstick attack icon from mainline. also, the unit itself feels very raw. here are some ideas to make it at least semi-interesting:
-make him have only 500 hp, 50% fire resistance, 70% blade/pierce resistances, 30% impact
7.you could make chemical weapons use the 'cold' damage type. and, naturally, make MG Nest weak to it
8.maybe implement jeeps as units? you already have them in the add-on files anyway.
9.Guerilla can't make MG Nests for some reason. fix that. same goes for booby traps.

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

some feedback:

Spoiler:

1.Medic still has no defense animation, same goes for RPG
2.in the new maps, could you make it clearer about the location of village ovelays? like adding images to the hexes, and making the map description mention about them.
3.you could use this attack icon for HE Grenade/Molotov Cocktail/other exlosives:

explosion-orange-2.png

5.Chemical unit has no proper animation for his ranged attack
4.Medics use the white mage halo when healing. remove it.
5.Terrorist Chemical unit uses a mask-less animation for his pistol attack. add a masked variant, specifically for his unit
6.Tank's cannon attack could use the thunderstick attack icon from mainline. also, the unit itself feels very raw. here are some ideas to make it at least semi-interesting:
-make him have only 500 hp, 50% fire resistance, 70% blade/pierce resistances, 30% impact
7.you could make chemical weapons use the 'cold' damage type. and, naturally, make MG Nest weak to it
8.maybe implement jeeps as units? you already have them in the add-on files anyway.
9.Guerilla can't make MG Nests for some reason. fix that. same goes for booby traps.

Spoiler:

1-Both of them work fine for me.
2-Sure I could do that, currently are marked usually marked by being surrounded with remains or trash, it barely stands out though.
3-Thank you that should help.
4-I did that on purpose, I believe its better if they have a healing animation than if they don't.
5-You mean T RPG, yeah I forgot about that, however I think I'll have them return to having the maskless RPG image.
6-I believe I deleted the Tank File some versions ago, I think that's an old file you've got there.
7-Currently they are fire type, since toxic gases are corrosive, either way fire is as well strong against MG.
8-I know but I think expanding more and more the era will take away its simplicity.
9-Leader Guerillas or Gunners can't turn themselves into MG Nests, I will clarify that.
On the other hand, it's Commandos who can lay Booby traps.

[PapaSmurfReloaded]

Big Update!
1.10 is out

-Made clearer descriptions for units, races and maps.
-Added a Capture the Flag and Hostages scenarios to the game maps.
-Now Medics and Gunner/Guerilla conserve their % of life when changing between their forms(MG Nests and Field Hospitals). And got rid of the menu interface when doing that. (It's one click now)
-Got rid of the score option.
-Now units have idle animations.
-Fixed the issues units had with defense animations and changed some attack animations.
-Fixed some missing icons.
-Added a map (I know it might not quite fit the era but... it stays there, for now)

The addon is quite nearing what I'd call its final version.

[ForestDragon]

feedback:
1.Attack Hound uses the '.txt' extension, change it to '.cfg'
2.Gunner doesn't have an attack icon for his primary attack. fix this.
3.MG Nests (on both factions) have no movement types (resistances,defenses,movement costs)
4.Commando still can't use booby traps. same story with Gunners/MG Nests and Medics/Field Hospitals
5.Medic doesn't use a defense animation (shows 'image not found')

[ForestDragon]

feedback:
1.Attack Hound uses the '.txt' extension, change it to '.cfg'. also, the unit itself isn't used.
2.Gunner doesn't have an attack icon for his primary attack. fix this.
3.MG Nests (on both factions) have no movement types (resistances,defenses,movement costs)
4.Commando still can't use booby traps. same story with Gunners/MG Nests and Medics/Field Hospitals
5.Medic doesn't use a defense animation (shows 'image not found') same goes for terrorist (and maybe soldier?) sniper.