Elven Rider Stats.

[Jetrel]

and thus to throw gas on the embers of a long-dead fire, I've been thinking the elven rider is a bit too weak in terms of damage dealt, especially at high levels.

Currently, they have no use as combatants, because a level-2 scout of most other races outclasses their damage capability at level-3. Ex: a level-2 goblin knight does 7-4 - more than the level-3 Outrider.

Not only do players decline to engage them in combat in interests of their self-preservation, but they also do so because their being level-3 gives too much xp to the enemy - dangerously so if the unit dies.



I would suggest a slight improvement in bow damage:

This is enough to make it appropriately capable, but not powerful.

Current:
Scout 4-3sword 4-2bow
Rider 5-4sword 5-3bow
Outrider 6-4sword 5-4bow

Suggestion:
Scout 4-3sword 5-2bow
Rider 5-4sword 6-3bow
Outrider 6-4sword 7-4bow

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on a side note - the goblin direwolf rider seems a bit steep in xp costs. IIRC, it costs 150, whereas I think it should be reduced to 100.

[joshbosh321]

It seems slight enough to me, although people are already complaining that the elves are too powerful.

I would prefer to just give them ambush, but oh well, I guess you can't have everything...

[lucienium]

and thus to throw gas on the embers of a long-dead fire, I've been thinking the elven rider is a bit too weak in terms of damage dealt, especially at high levels.

Currently, they have no use as combatants, because a level-2 scout of most other races outclasses their damage capability at level-3. Ex: a level-2 goblin knight does 7-4 - more than the level-3 Outrider.

Not only do players decline to engage them in combat in interests of their self-preservation, but they also do so because their being level-3 gives too much xp to the enemy - dangerously so if the unit dies.



I would suggest a slight improvement in bow damage:

This is enough to make it appropriately capable, but not powerful.

Current:
Scout 4-3sword 4-2bow
Rider 5-4sword 5-3bow
Outrider 6-4sword 5-4bow

Suggestion:
Scout 4-3sword 5-2bow
Rider 5-4sword 6-3bow
Outrider 6-4sword 7-4bow

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on a side note - the goblin direwolf rider seems a bit steep in xp costs. IIRC, it costs 150, whereas I think it should be reduced to 100.

well, i must agree that outriders fight like level 2 units but maybe that's because they have insane defense? i mean, which other mounted unit get's to have 70% defense on 2 terrains? but still, they need a slight offense buff, maybe 6-4 for bow

[eugenelim]

I think that the elf scout should have his cost lowered by 1 gp.

[Elvish_Pillager]

I think that the elf scout should have his cost lowered by 1 gp.

I think 2 would be better. (pay only 16 gold for weakest of the three normal scouts; the most powerful normal scout costs only one gold more, so who can argue?)