Wargs

Post by **Doc Paterson** » December 11th, 2005, 4:32 pm

I must say, I really REALLY hate the concept of werewolves being "contagious;" the whole lycanthropy approach (getting bitten, becoming a lycanthrope). Having werewolves with some degree of culture (language, weapon-crafting, etc.) is completely incompatible with this model.

They ought to be a race of wolfmen, not a bunch of humans sharing the same disease or curse or whatever you want to call it. That whole horror-flick concept is just too junky for Wesnoth.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 11th, 2005, 8:38 pm

OK, I have tried to come up with some stats, but I have absolutly no idea if they are balanced... Probably not...

Try tokeep in mind that the Werewolves will not have any ranged attacks, and will also be vurnarable to pierce, I think...
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Level 1

Werewolf:
Cost: 15
Hp: 35
Xp: 30
Moves: 6

Claws 10-2 (slash)
Tackle 7-2 (impact)
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Level 2

Warrior
Cost: 27
Hp: 47
XP: 80
Moves: 6

Sword 11-3 (slash)
Tackle 8-2 (impact)

Stalker
Cost: 25
Hp: 42
Xp: 74
Moves: 7
Skirmish

Dagger 10-2 (slash)
Tackle 8-2 (impact)

Rabid Wolf
Cost: 30
Hp: 46
Xp: 100
Moves: 6

Fangs 5-3 (Berserk)
Claws 14-2 (slash)
Tackle 9-3 (impact)
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Level 3

Pack Leader
Cost: 45
Hp: 60
Xp: 85
Moves: 6
Leadership

Sword 13-3
Tackle 10-3

Moon Blade
Cost: 45
Hp: 65
Xp:85
Moves: 6

Moon Sword 15-3 (magic)
Tackle 10-3

Shadow Pelt
Cost: 40
Hp: 60
Xp: 80
Moves: 7
Skirmish

Dagger 10-3
Tackle 10-2 (impact)
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Level 4

Garou
Cost: 90
Hp: 85
Xp: 100
Moves: 6
Leadership

Sword 17-3
Tackle 10-4

Moon Knight
Cost: 105
Hp: 90
Xp:100
Moves: 6

Moon Sword 19-3 (magic)
Tackle 13-4

Night Eye
Cost: 67
Hp: 72
Xp: 100
Moves: 7
Skirmish, Nightstalk

Dagger 13-3
Tackle 13-2 (impact)

Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » December 11th, 2005, 9:38 pm

these are pretty good, my frasn't been on IM so... he is not here

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 13th, 2005, 9:45 pm

So... Any chance that an artist wants to help out with some graphics?

jining · Post by **jining** » December 14th, 2005, 12:24 am

they seem cool, but i think that the stalker should get backstab before skirmisher...

yeahthatguy · Post by **yeahthatguy** » December 14th, 2005, 1:48 am

I'd take out the level 4 Werewolves, and take awake the skirmisher ( and maybe the nightstalk too ) ability/ies from the Stalker line. Better yet, take away its backstab ability! If a Night Eye gets in a position were it can backstab something, it can do up to 78 damage! That with Nightstalk and Skirmisher would be insanely funless. Not to mention if you had two of them ( in a campaign or super super heros era ), you could take out the enemy leader in just a few turns.

The other level four units aren't really needed unless you're in a campaign, and even then it's better to just not have them. Not to mention, less work for the graphic artist.

Post by **turin** » December 14th, 2005, 3:51 am

Doc Paterson wrote:I must say, I really REALLY hate the concept of werewolves being "contagious;" the whole lycanthropy approach (getting bitten, becoming a lycanthrope).

Definitely. They would eat their victims, not bite them and then let them turn into more werewolves, who the original would then have to compete for food with.

IMHO, a werewolf culture is doomed to failure. What is IMHO more interesting is the traditional (NOT bitten -> werewolf) approach... but do whichever you want.

Assasin · Post by **Assasin** » December 14th, 2005, 4:08 am

has any artwork been done? I would be willing to test the unit on my campaign.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 14th, 2005, 8:41 pm

yeahthatguy wrote:Better yet, take away its backstab ability! If a Night Eye gets in a position were it can backstab something, it can do up to 78 damage! That with Nightstalk and Skirmisher would be insanely funless.

You are right, backstab will be removed.

turin wrote:IMHO, a werewolf culture is doomed to failure. What is IMHO more interesting is the traditional (NOT bitten -> werewolf) approach... but do whichever you want

Why is a werewolf doomed to fail? I can't see why orcs or trolls for example would be more civelized... IMO werewolves would be more civelized...

Assasin wrote:has any artwork been done? I would be willing to test the unit on my campaign.

Nope not yet. I have tried some art myself, but it kinda sucked, so I'll have to practice... a lot...
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Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » December 14th, 2005, 8:47 pm

hey, Jester, the dark elves were doomed to fall and look what happened

So, Don't Worry

Post by **Thrawn** » December 14th, 2005, 8:50 pm

Jester wrote:
turin wrote:IMHO, a werewolf culture is doomed to failure. What is IMHO more interesting is the traditional (NOT bitten -> werewolf) approach... but do whichever you want
Why is a werewolf doomed to fail? I can't see why orcs or trolls for example would be more civelized... IMO werewolves would be more civelized...

because werewolfs are by nature feral and untamable. Trying to societize(:)) them would lead to internal conflict, constant warfare, ans assured distruction.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 14th, 2005, 8:54 pm

Thrawn wrote:
Jester wrote: Why is a werewolf doomed to fail? I can't see why orcs or trolls for example would be more civelized... IMO werewolves would be more civelized...

because werewolfs are by nature feral and untamable. Trying to societize(:)) them would lead to internal conflict, constant warfare, ans assured distruction.

Have you ever watched Discovery Channel and saw a program on wolves? They have a strict hierarchie. So the argument that the are feral so they wouldn't be able to have a culture/community does not count...

Anyway, I would appreciate it if I could get some more feedback on the units...

jining · Post by **jining** » December 15th, 2005, 2:53 am

for the rabid wolf, which attack would have berserk? i think its an ability for a specific attack right?

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 15th, 2005, 8:52 pm

Ok I tried my first unit image. It's the basic Werewolf.

@Jining, I gave the Rabid Wolf berserk on the fang attack.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » December 16th, 2005, 5:18 pm

Did another one, the Rabid Wolf...

Can anyone tell me what should be improved?

EDIT: Warrior added