Idea for Far East Faction

[Kafka]

[quote="appleide"]Just to make sure this is the tree.... I am confused about the Monk and the Ki monk and enlightened monk.... They are from different lvl 1 units, right?

initiate -> Tainted initiate -> Tengu Warrior
initiate -> Monk -> Master

Meditant ->Enlightened Monk -> Disciples of Nirvana
Meditant ->Ki Monk -> Ki Master

Claw Dancer ->Ninja -> Ninja Master
Claw Dancer -> Fan Dancer

Samurai wanderer -> Samurai Warrior -> Samurai Hero
Samurai wanderer -> Samurai Bodyguard->Samurai Slayer

Samurai Noble -> Samurai Officer -> Shogun Warlord -> Emperor

yeah, that's the tree, and as for the pictures, my artist is still actually working, but i'm just saying, it will take a while for him to get done, so it doesn't matter if other people work on it. Actually, he has all the level 1s right now in black and white, and if anything they are too detailed, and could use some cheapening, but that's as of last night, and lately he's been working hard only on this, so he might actually be getting stuff done

[Seiryu]

Just to make sure this is the tree.... I am confused about the Monk and the Ki monk and enlightened monk.... They are from different lvl 1 units, right?

initiate -> Tainted initiate -> Tengu Warrior
initiate -> Monk -> Master

Meditant ->Enlightened Monk -> Disciples of Nirvana
Meditant ->Ki Monk -> Ki Master

Claw Dancer ->Ninja -> Ninja Master
Claw Dancer -> Fan Dancer

Samurai wanderer -> Samurai Warrior -> Samurai Hero
Samurai wanderer -> Samurai Bodyguard->Samurai Slayer

Samurai Noble -> Samurai Officer -> Shogun Warlord -> Emperor

yeah, that's the tree, and as for the pictures, my artist is still actually working, but i'm just saying, it will take a while for him to get done, so it doesn't matter if other people work on it. Actually, he has all the level 1s right now in black and white, and if anything they are too detailed, and could use some cheapening, but that's as of last night, and lately he's been working hard only on this, so he might actually be getting stuff done

Can i say some thing Kafka? First the emperor in japan it's called a "Tenou". And your fan dancer can be a "geisha". They've got the same powers. but different name so i think you should call your "fan dancer" a "geisha". Did the japanese had some Ki monks? don't think so sorry... And ypi enlighted monk can be Monk of the light that sounds better. And disciples of nirvana; well change nirvana to sakura, goes better. And about the Ki monks i think you should call them: spiritual monks.

I hope you can understand my corrections. thx

[appleide]

yeah, that's the tree, and as for the pictures, my artist is still actually working, but i'm just saying, it will take a while for him to get done, so it doesn't matter if other people work on it. Actually, he has all the level 1s right now in black and white, and if anything they are too detailed, and could use some cheapening, but that's as of last night, and lately he's been working hard only on this, so he might actually be getting stuff done

Can i say some thing Kafka? First the emperor in japan it's called a "Tenou". And your fan dancer can be a "geisha". They've got the same powers. but different name so i think you should call your "fan dancer" a "geisha". Did the japanese had some Ki monks? don't think so sorry... And ypi enlighted monk can be Monk of the light that sounds better. And disciples of nirvana; well change nirvana to sakura, goes better. And about the Ki monks i think you should call them: spiritual monks.

I hope you can understand my corrections. thx

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is the army representing all of Far East... not just Japan. But I do think it would be more 'in theme' and 'realistic' if the army was made a Samurai or a Japanese army, and then the other nations can have their own. But then this would be equating to making a whole new era. I also think you could add more units from the other cultures though.

[scott]

I don't think Japanese soldiers would fight along side non-Japanese soldiers.

[Cuyo Quiz]

Monks are mostly in Far East but not Japan. In fact, i think we can branch off to three:

-Japan: use some of Seiryu's images, they were good.

-Mongols: this would be mostly do from scratch. Dunno if would fit, we already have the Marauders covering that flavor.

-Chinesse: I think the monks would fit here. There was also something called Warrangdo (the soldier's martial arts, over 4k techniques with the purpose of defeatin your opponent in one move) for flavor. We would ned background on chinesse though.

[darksteel]

Is the far east faction... at least alitte wesnothian

[Kafka]

ok, i admit that i didn't use the correct names for everything, but maybe there is a reason for that? Not to sound insulting, I understand how people feel about using correct terminology, but i wanted to seperate the units a little from the japonese.chinese dialects they come from, mainly to point out that they are a mix of cultures, and at the same time, their own people. Most people aren't familiar with the correct names for anything past "samurai, ninja, and shogen" so i kept the words English. I hope in a Japanese/Mandarin/Cantonese/Whatever translation, they are dubbed correctly, but this is for the english translation of the game, and the faction isn't solely for anime and oirental fans to feel nostalgic or hyped.

No offence, and none taken, from nobody's b(*%$

Kafka

[scott]

I think I understand. You don't want an Eastern Faction, you want a Wesnothian Eastern-inspired faction. In that case, you might consider intentionally toning back the authenticity even further (like with the name Samurai for instance) and forging new territory. Otherwise I'm afraid critiques like this might never end.

[Kafka]

Monks are mostly in Far East but not Japan. In fact, i think we can branch off to three:

-Japan: use some of Seiryu's images, they were good.

-Mongols: this would be mostly do from scratch. Dunno if would fit, we already have the Marauders covering that flavor.

-Chinesse: I think the monks would fit here. There was also something called Warrangdo (the soldier's martial arts, over 4k techniques with the purpose of defeatin your opponent in one move) for flavor. We would ned background on chinesse though.

I love when somebody knows what they are talking about. Thanks.

Yeah, the monks are pretty much chinese based, and the samurai are mostly Japenese (seeing how samurai is a japenese term, and the descriptions match that of Japenese warriors a little better than chinese ones) I kinda wanted a balance between these two main cultures, though i admit, seeing the initiate turn tainted and go to a tengu (one of the few words i kept from figures, only cause wth would i call it) is cross culture, and most of the units are tied into japan closer than mainland asia. But hey, this is wesnoth, there is no ASIA, japan, china, or whatever (one reason i'm not into that new roman thing, and was saddened when these guys got grouped with them). Hey, like all factions, i'm sure these guys will one day blend in with the rest of wesnoth, get a real name (not just far east, but something from the game developers), and become a culture of their own.

[Kafka]

I think I understand. You don't want an Eastern Faction, you want a Wesnothian Eastern-inspired faction. In that case, you might consider intentionally toning back the authenticity even further (like with the name Samurai for instance) and forging new territory. Otherwise I'm afraid critiques like this might never end.

You have a good idea, but i was afraid of the critics on the other side of the issue, those who believe in far east being authentic. Also, i originally had some eastern inspired sorcer units, but i found it unbalanced to add any magic attacks, or more magic-esque attacks, to this faction in terms of unit balance. It just seems i could only fit in basic units to keep the faction at least halfway balanced. Maybe more out-there units will be added later, i'm willing to make stuff anytime, if somebody thinks i should. There are also many great developers working directly for the game who might institute changes.

[Breeblebox]

How do you measure the balance of your faction if there is no art or unit cfgs? Have you been playing multiplayer with them using blank tokens as graphics? I'm a little confused.

[Seiryu]

Ok now every body stops. First: the far east countries are now in questions of alliance but they are still not sure. Example: Japan are still asking them if they will accpet China as an ally. So we must be very carefull of whatever we are going to do otherwise we are going to be in trouble.
Now Second: If I go back to the technological tree I forgot to mention something: Shogun can't evolve in Tenou(Emperor), if I read again the technological tree of japan. The Tenou was chosen by the family which has relation with the previous generation.

Thats all i have to say.

[Seiryu]

Monks are mostly in Far East but not Japan. In fact, i think we can branch off to three:

-Japan: use some of Seiryu's images, they were good.

-Mongols: this would be mostly do from scratch. Dunno if would fit, we already have the Marauders covering that flavor.

-Chinesse: I think the monks would fit here. There was also something called Warrangdo (the soldier's martial arts, over 4k techniques with the purpose of defeatin your opponent in one move) for flavor. We would ned background on chinesse though.

I love when somebody knows what they are talking about. Thanks.

Yeah, the monks are pretty much chinese based, and the samurai are mostly Japenese (seeing how samurai is a japenese term, and the descriptions match that of Japenese warriors a little better than chinese ones) I kinda wanted a balance between these two main cultures, though i admit, seeing the initiate turn tainted and go to a tengu (one of the few words i kept from figures, only cause wth would i call it) is cross culture, and most of the units are tied into japan closer than mainland asia. But hey, this is wesnoth, there is no ASIA, japan, china, or whatever (one reason i'm not into that new roman thing, and was saddened when these guys got grouped with them). Hey, like all factions, i'm sure these guys will one day blend in with the rest of wesnoth, get a real name (not just far east, but something from the game developers), and become a culture of their own.

Ok to be precise: bald monks in japan came from india, because boudah was indian. Then next; samurais were in china, japan, and all in the far east countries, but the japanese called them samurai. I don't know how the chinese or other countries named them but samurai is not the correct word to name your soldier with katanas. Even katana is a japanese word but how the chinese called them? Be sure of what you're doing before you name your faction.

[appleide]

eh.... I think Chinese 'samurais' were called "foot soldiers" in Chinese. I don't recall the warriors having a diffferent caste like the Japanese.

http://eprentice.sdsu.edu/J03OJ/ly/soldiers.htm

Theres a site on the Chinese army at around 0 AD

[Seiryu]

Ok ok but the point is not this, we must be carefull of the relationship between Japan and China, for example, And other countries of the far east. Otherwise we will be in trouble