I found a flaw about Spearmans description!

[Gambit]

Wesnoth Has Magic™

[CoolDude]

alot of games that reaquires some strategy that is different of wesnoth(wesnoth weapons deals is based on the enemy resitence) while some games like fire emblem(that use the trianglue weapon system)i begin to think and ask to you guys,do the triangle system can be true in a real-life combat?

also,i think things can get really cool when you make you spearman to a lvl 3 unit that is the....HALBADIER! the weapon is cool and strong,one of these can be a nightmare of any horse in the game.

i think we should make some units comparison:


royal guard vs elvish champion
halbadier vs drake arbiter lvl 3(i forgot the name of the unit)


i cant make the unit comparison due to im using a coimputer that dont have the game,im on vacation having nices day on brazi beachs....and yeah,my english is embarrassing



EDIT:oh yeah,there is the triangule system for the ones that ask what is this



spears>swords
swords>axes
axes>spear

so basically sword>axe>spear>sword.

[Velensk]

No, I do not believe fire emblems counter triangle applies at all to real combat.

[CoolDude]

No, I do not believe fire emblems counter triangle applies at all to real combat.

if you waste some time thinking,you can notice that some aprts make sense

swords vs lances=while swords is the most mobile,lightweight of any,that mean is the most accurate,making the king of the close combat,while lancer, on the other hand,try to fight in long range,but they can do something in close range too,lances is to be used ver defensively and need to know how to strike on the right time.so yeah,swords have some disvantage.

axe vs swords=i think axes are slow and strong,maybe strong engough to break the opoonent guard breaking the weapon,while swords are faster,they can strike way more than axes,and axe need to be played agressively,that why is not very realiable when some people chooses between lances,axes and swords.


lances vs axes=axes can break the enemy guard easily,and lancers need some distance to attack,a axe can break the lance(not the guard,but breaking the weapon) in such easy way.

so i think is just my opnion,not that can be classified as a BIG ADVANTAE-DISVATAGE,because the fight need more skill than the type of the weapon.

[wesfreak]

An axe would be no better than a sword against a lance or a spear: Both weapons would be able to cut through a spear shaft, and neither would be able to break a lance. In general, the enemy's weapon is much less important than the armour he's wearing (especially since most soldiers went to war with more than one kind of weapon): a spear would be useful against chain-mail, but almost useless against plate-mail, for example, and a mace or morningstar would be good against anyone in general, as long as the wielder could get a direct hit to the head. The kind of weapon your opponent has wouldn't make too much of a different.

[Reepurr]

I don't believe in the Triangle System. It doesn't make sense.

However, if you want to compare the big level 3s:

Royal Guard: 11-4. Great.
Champion: 9-5. 1 more point. He also has a strong ranged attack.

Halberdier: 15-3, 19-2.
Warden: 16-3, 23-2. But they also cost a lot more and need a sort of mad amount of XP.

[wesfreak]

And that's without comparing hp and resistances.

[CoolDude]

loyal guard,halbardier and general have 20% resistence to melee,piercing,impact and arcane.

and javalineer have 40% of resistance to piercing,even if he pretty different from the others spearmans lvl ups,he look like a archer-spearman fusion,and he can absorb alot of archer damage with his reistence.

[Crushmaster]

loyal guard,halbardier and general have 20% resistence to melee,piercing,impact and arcane.

and javalineer have 40% of resistance to piercing,even if he pretty different from the others spearmans lvl ups,he look like a archer-spearman fusion,and he can absorb alot of archer damage with his reistence.

That's not quite true; Royal Guard has like a 20% resistance to blade, impact, and arcane, while the halberdier has a 40% resistance to pierce and 20% resistance to arcane. Can't remember the general, though...

Happy New Year!
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

[CoolDude]

loyal guard,halbardier and general have 20% resistence to melee,piercing,impact and arcane.

and javalineer have 40% of resistance to piercing,even if he pretty different from the others spearmans lvl ups,he look like a archer-spearman fusion,and he can absorb alot of archer damage with his reistence.

That's not quite true; Royal Guard has like a 20% resistance to blade, impact, and arcane, while the halberdier has a 40% resistance to pierce and 20% resistance to arcane. Can't remember the general, though...

Happy New Year!
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

general=10% of resistance to blade,piercing,impaact and arcane.

royal guard=20% of resistance to blade,impact and arcane

javeeliner=40% of resistance to piercing and 20% of arcane

horseman and cavalry=40% of resist to impact,20% of blade and i forgot the rest,-20% of piercing.

Happy New Year!
In Christ,
CoolDude.

[Caphriel]

This useful page has all the unit stats, so you can look things like resistances up up without having to use the in-game reference

[hhyloc]

This useful page has all the unit stats, so you can look things like resistances up up without having to use the in-game reference

Hmmm...strange, it's just me or the resistance of all units in trunk was all mixed up?
Ex: Pikeman and Halberdier (20% arcane, 0% everything else)
Mage line (20% arcane, 0% everything else)
Many other lvl2 and lvl3 units have their resistance the same as the lvl1 counterpart although it's supposed to be higher(namely the Dwarvish Fighter line, the Burner line, the Clasher line,...)

[Caphriel]

I don't know, I never look at trunk... Yup, it's not just you.

[Aelaris]

Primarily, I would simply say that elves are weaker than humans, but faster:

Note that human speed is three attacks, elf-speed is four attacks, and orc-speed is only two attacks. With the Fencer, a human gets to attack 4 times, but is, again, weaker. My assumption that elves fight like fencers, unwilling to really plunge their weapon wholesale into someone's flesh, but rather using fast lunges and swipes.

It's not just a question of what weapon you have, but also how you use it.


On an alternate note, I would like to note that the historical role of a sword seems to be that of a side-arm for people who have optimum gear. Knights use lances on horses, and poleaxes on foot - Sword is a sidearm. Same with samurai, whose primary weapons were polearms and bows. Even outside of mass pole-arm formations, most swords become entirely ineffective against even chainmaille (they do, as I found out, hurt like hell), while polearms stand a better chance against medium-level armor (chainmaille, scalemaille, and some forms of brigandine).

Swords are flashy and iconic and dramatic, though. Back in China, the sword (Jian) is the Gentlemen of Weapons. The spear (Qiang) is the King of Weapons. But everyone loves the swords.

(But overall, I defer to the "humans are to elves what orcs are to humans" argument. It's not what you have, it's how you use it.)

(In other news, I would note that I have not seen swords chopping up spears much - not unless you went full-force against a direct block with hands spaced far appart (leverage plays a lot into these things). But why the spearman would do that rather than any form of parry or sidestep is beyond me. Or block with a shield, for our Spearman comrades.)