Song for the day.

[Astoria]

no, the Alternative metal will own all the genders of music!

That is true!
System of a Down is really good.

And, Haluvata, I can listen to other music too.

[Midnight_Carnival]

And, Haluvata, I can listen to other music too.

I don't like a specific type of music, I like individual pieces, there is even a madonna song I like (sort of) and I even listen to types of music or music by people I don't like because I can apreciate it. But I tend to gravitate towards romantic classical (Wagner, Tchaikofski [? I can never spell that guy's name], etc...) and rock to metal. I suppose you could call me a metalhead if you wanted to, so I'd be in the group with you, kind of, and yes, having a prefernce for one type of music doesn't mean you can't apreciate other types.

Moving on, you know what the good thing about being into rock is? you can apreciate the same music that your parents like. That probalby sounds lame, but I have a story for you:

This was when I was a bit younger, my father is in his 70s now I think, so he was probalby like 60 then, anyway, I come home and from down the road I'm hearing Slipknot quite loud. And there, in the middle of the lounge I find my father headbanging to Slipknot which he's got on full blast. So I was like "why're you listening to Slipknot?" to which my father responds "because they <copulating> rock!"
It was then that I realised that my father had grown up in the late 60s, early 70s, when hard rock was really taking off, as he explained, it may not have been exactly the same, but (Dixie can give you the gory details of cords, etc...) that was basically the same music he listend to when he was my age. The song findished and we got into this long discussion about like how guitar rock was diying (he is very musical, played the guitar and the trumpet in a brass-rock band, tried to teach me the guitar about 4 times then gave up) and how people these days didn't play their own instruments and that was what he liked about this band, you could hear that they made their music for live performance, not for recording studios. And naturally, he went on to this like half-hour discussion on why the Rolling Stones were better, but we got back to Slipknot... and then my rather messed up firend came in, he used to invite himself round quite regularly those days, he was also into drugs back then, did speed like it was nobody's business, anyway, he had this way of like bursting in unexpectedly, but my parents were ok with him, and he asks "hey, what are you guys talking about?" so I tell him Slipknot, and now I must say that my father is one of those disagreeable kind of old men who if you disagree with him gets really happy, becasue he can find like seventy reasons why you're wrong without even trying (the "Saloonio thing"), and then my other friend who was on drugs had these scary religious parents who thought Pokemon was like satanic or something (NFA), so I presume he thought that my father would be against 'the devil's music', because he answers ..."yeah, they're finished". This resulted in my father vigourously shouting him down and ardently supporting Slipknot, when he'd just liked/apreciated them before.
Ok, and then one day I walked in and there was my junky friend and my father jamming on acousitc guitars together...

-I think I got a bit sidetracked there, the point is, my parents never complained about me playing music too loudly, and even when I was like listening to blackmetal or heavy thrashmetal, my father wouldn't be all like "this rubbish you young people listen to today!", if he liked it he'd say so, if he didn't, he'd just like tell me he couldn't get into it, or it wasn't the sort of thing he liked or it was depressing, but he never condemned the music I listened to.

[Hulavuta]

no, the Alternative metal will own all the genders of music!

That is true!
System of a Down is really good.

And, Haluvata, I can listen to other music too.

you don't consider Jazz and Blues music,

I like System of a Down too. Although I don't really know why they name their songs what they name them. Except for Lost in Hollywood.

[Astoria]

That is true!
System of a Down is really good.

And, Haluvata, I can listen to other music too.

you don't consider Jazz and Blues music,

I like System of a Down too. Although I don't really know why they name their songs what they name them. Except for Lost in Hollywood.

That, Hulavuta, is a mystery.

[Hulavuta]

Well I heard that Chop Suey was originally going to be called Suicide, but they changed it because of 911. And BYOB doesn't really make sense outside of the video.

[Dunno]

oh. my. god. How can you say that System of a Down is grat?! Don't wanna sound like a flaming troll or something but I can't just let you say it's music something good. I'm myself a huge fan of AC/DC, a classic hard rock. Angus Young (lead guitar) is a true virtuoso! To me, all modern music is just... sold. If you have the money, you are famous. They aren't good musicians at all! But, like someone previously said, it's all a matter of taste.
Anyway, to guys talking about classical music: you should listen to Chuck Berry's "Roll Over Bethoven". And tell Czajkowski (tchaikovsky) the news!

[Hulavuta]

They're not really "forced" I would say, as their songs cover controversial topics, like Jesus, War, Pornography, etc. They're protest songs mostly. System of a Down broke up a while ago, and they mentioned a buttload of times that they're not reforming. So....not really forced...and they're not exactly modern either, I mean, their first album was in 1998, and their last was in 2005. And the years later was when the famous "Pop" stars started to get popular,

[Hulavuta]

Also Eric Clapton FTW

[Dixie]

oh. my. god. How can you say that System of a Down is grat?! Don't wanna sound like a flaming troll or something but I can't just let you say it's music something good.

To me, these kinda comments sound so childish and uniformed. I mean, come on, if you had listened to what some guys made for music in like the '30s (Itallian futuristic movement with luigi Rossolo, IIRC) the '40s (DAMN, just go and listen to dodecaphonistic music from Schoenberg, Berg or Webern for three hours straight, and you're gonna go mad) or even some other dudes like Messian. And those are all acknowledge by concervatories, branded as music and all. And lemme tell you, System of a Down (which I'm by no means a fan of) sound like sweet, heavenly angels singing harmonious chorals.

I'm myself a huge fan of AC/DC, a classic hard rock. Angus Young (lead guitar) is a true virtuoso!

I couldn't say for Mr Young, but in general, I tend to think the word "virtuoso" is a bit overused. It's like going to concerts nowadays: maybe it isn't that way where you are from, but up here, after most every concert, youg et a standing ovation. Dear lord, if you were ever just gonna remain seated and applaud, people would think you really hated the show or something and glare at you. I mean, back in my parents' days (or grandparents, maybe), they would throw their shoes if they thought the show wasn't up to par. So a good round of applaud was really something, let alone a standing ovation! While I don't necesarily support shoe-throwing, I think we might need a good dose of moderation, so that words/acts keep some kind of value.

To me, all modern music is just... sold. If you have the money, you are famous. They aren't good musicians at all! But, like someone previously said, it's all a matter of taste.

Well, I would disagree with you on that too. Given, maybe most radio airing doesn't include the highest quality music, and maybe quite a bunch of bands are indeed sold... But hey, there still are pretty good musicians around, probably a bunch of which could show Angus Young around his guitar quite a bit. Also, try to imagine yourself at their place: you grew up listening to punk-rock, you like punk-rock, you play guitar (or any punk-rock instrument) and manage to crate an half-good punk-rock band. By some incredible strike of luck, you are noticed by some agent, and while you may start little, the big machine quickly makes you into a giant. Hey, maybe you don't give a damn about pleasing the public and just like to play punk-rock with your half-talented friends? The big machine gives most of the "sold" impression, I think, and although some may enjoy that, there are probably a unch who don,t really care and just enjoy what they're doing. There have always been worst musicians/bands then others, anyway, in any styles. But I'll give you this: the pop of the '60s-'70s was probably of higher quality then the one from the '90s-2000s.

On a side note: Have you guys ever heard the version Electric Light Orchestra made of Beethoven's 5th symphony? It seriously kicks ass, you ought to go and listent o that.

Also, long guitar solo lovers: you gotta get a hold of Frank Zappa, he's a dude to reckon. A, if not the, giant in real quality pop music. His stuff is a bit particular, and by no means all alike, though, so you might not all like it

[humanressource]

Talking of 'Tool'...

Song for the day: A Perfect Circle - Outsider

[Dunno]

Well I won't give up here yet.
Maybe I should listen to System more, but I heard some songs from friends(i remember only one title, Chop Suey, but they were playing many more), and I really disliked the "oh-look-how-I'm-unhappy" style. And wtf is piano and violin doing in that song? They appear for one chorus to add sorrow! To me, it's pathetic. Maybe you like it, but I'll never understand why.
To defend AC/DC a little bit: those guys all are around 60 years old and yet they play awesome hard rock. Check out this vid from their concert in Poland. That's a mere half of the song!

[Midnight_Carnival]

Thanks humanressource, yes I also like Perfect Circle, and Pusifer (not reccomended for sensitive listners) Maynard James Keenan is truly talented, and has a beautiful voice, but I like Tool more, because their music is really good.

@Dunno:

Well I won't give up here yet.

That's the spirit! You tell them!
I'm not really a System fan, I find their music to sometimes be slightly formulaic, you know, like sometimes you get those really awful horror movies which are just "soft, soft, soft, quiet... BIG SCARY SOUND!", that teenage girls love because it gives them an excuse to srcream? their music reminds me of that, there are one or two songs I like though, don't know what they are called, but I'll know them when I hear them. As for AC/DC, sorry, not a fan. I did go through an 80s 'hairmetal' (I beleive it's called) phase, but I mostly gravitated towards Pantera. AC/DC screech, yuk!

Dixie: you should try Jappanese noise music, like I think Yashuna Tone or somebody, kicks Itallian futuristic movement's ass, with all due respect since I love futurist art.

[Hulavuta]

I agree that in Chop Suey, the singing is a little rough. Mainly the beginning where he says "Wake Up" and the parts that have that melody. But (I didn't hear the violin) the Piano fits in, IMO. And what's wrong with adding emotion to a song? Music is supposed to be a way to express yourself.

[Dunno]

. And what's wrong with adding emotion to a song? Music is supposed to be a way to express yourself.

ya, I know, there's nothing wrong in that. System just doesn't sound... like they really feel that way. Again, this is just my impression, maybe in other less known songs they are more into it. Aside from that, I prefer music to be optimistic, If I want to be sad and depressed, I just think about my life (lol). When I'm listening to something, I want to forget about daily routine. Maybe that's why I like AC/DC so much. Their best blues song isn't just about cruel world: it's called "Ride On" and it really gives me strength to move on no matter what.

[Hulavuta]

Well yeah, sure, but people should be forced to see all sides of things. It shouldn't be all happy all the time.