New Dark Adept Branch - CONTINUED

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » August 22nd, 2004, 2:55 pm

Circon wrote:The spectre... is a fighting unit with a drain sword as its primary attack.

Now that I think about that, it actually seems odd.... I'll start a new thread about it.

autolycus · Post by **autolycus** » August 23rd, 2004, 4:31 pm

Elvish Pillager wrote:It also adds a rather strange defensive factor to the leader, since a Bat with leader next to it is harder to kill.

I have no problem with this... shouldn't a bat with a leader be harder to kill? It is inspired by his leader's superior mental abilities, and can now attack with optimal violence and skill, as well as benefit from the leader's coordinating 'extra eyes'.

Shade · Post by **Shade** » August 23rd, 2004, 8:33 pm

autolycus wrote:shouldn't a bat with a leader be harder to kill? It is inspired by his leader's superior mental abilities

Even if you're a genius for a bat, at the end of the day, you're still just a bat.

autolycus · Post by **autolycus** » August 24th, 2004, 7:34 am

Shade wrote:Even if you're a genius for a bat, at the end of the day, you're still just a bat.

That's like saying a wose is just a tree.

Ray · Post by **Ray** » August 25th, 2004, 1:11 am

Elvish Pillager wrote:It's not the amount of damage it does, it's the amount of life it drains that I'm complaining about. I can understand a bat with loads of evil power doing loads of damage... but not getting loads of HP. It also adds a rather strange defensive factor to the leader, since a Bat with leader next to it is harder to kill.

That probably wouldn't be too unbalanced in practice. The bat can't stay next to the leader without sacrificing its high movement rate, which is one of its primary advantages. It wouldn't be a great defence unit since it's highly vulnerable to missile attacks; with a little luck, even a level one archer can kill it in a single turn, a mage or marksman would have no trouble at all, and a horseman could kill it with a single charge. And it would only get an extra point or so of drain anyway (Assuming the drain calculation rounds up (unless my math is off)).

Circon · Post by **Circon** » August 25th, 2004, 5:19 am

Implement this before the spam kills it!

Proposed stats are in first post. We've argued out why to have leadership and healing. No other unit has this combination, BUT we're not inventing new abilities, so everybody should be happy.

Post by **quartex** » August 25th, 2004, 5:23 am

I'm not sure about giving undead healing and leadership.

Many Undead seem like mindless beings, so I'm not sure why they would be affected by leadership. And since they are dead, healing would work differently.

But ignoring the realism, I'm not sure we want to give these abilities to the undead. It would be a huge change for the power of the race.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » August 25th, 2004, 9:25 am

Circon wrote:everybody should be happy.

I am opposed to Undead having Leadership.
I am opposed to Undead having healing.
Why should I be happy?

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » August 25th, 2004, 9:28 am

I vote for a dark aura

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » August 25th, 2004, 9:32 am

tigrezno wrote:I vote for a dark aura

What would the level 2 have then?

Maybe Necromancer should have a dark-aura-user as an alternate upgrade?

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » August 25th, 2004, 9:38 am

Elvish Pillager wrote:
tigrezno wrote:I vote for a dark aura
What would the level 2 have then?

Maybe Necromancer should have a dark-aura-user as an alternate upgrade?

Well, my idea is normal dark adept, then necromancer with plague, or leadership or healing, and finally a lich with the same habilities, or another branch with a dark aura :S

Also, i think all leaders should have leadership, as the name says, they are "leaders" and fighting hand to hand with them give you more power against enemies.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » August 25th, 2004, 10:15 am

tigrezno wrote:Also, i think all leaders should have leadership

In what way is a Lich a leader? Do you mean a unit with canrecruit=1? It's completely different...

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » August 25th, 2004, 10:27 am

Elvish Pillager wrote:
tigrezno wrote:Also, i think all leaders should have leadership
In what way is a Lich a leader? Do you mean a unit with canrecruit=1? It's completely different...

Undead is the unique race with a leader being a recruited unit. Other leaders are unique and not recruitable. We should change this and create a master of darkness or something

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » August 25th, 2004, 10:53 am

tigrezno wrote:a master of darkness or something

Muahahaha! I am the master of darkness!

miyo · Post by **miyo** » August 25th, 2004, 10:53 am

Well,

I am still hoping that leaders get reduced to 2nd level units and you are allowed to "choose your leader" (from list of suitable leaders in your faction).

- Miyo