Ethical issues...

Lunar2 · Post by **Lunar2** » August 18th, 2004, 4:22 am

My problem is already resolved, further debate is meaningless to me.

If it satisifies you, go ahead, but I won't be responding to any of it. I'll be busy on ver0.7 instead...

Ummu · Post by **Ummu** » August 18th, 2004, 4:24 am

(Oh no! Dave must know the truth, so I'll make a run for it!)

Lunar2 · Post by **Lunar2** » August 18th, 2004, 4:30 am

That same person can pull out logs in my favor against phantom, striker, and to some extent MadMax.

HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT EVEN THE ISSUE AT HAND!!!

I asked about recourse for a hypothetical situation which, true 100%, 0%, or anywhere in between, was a problem for me. My question has been answered. I have no reason to argue with you, that's not why I came here.

If you want him to go out of his way to prove either or both of us right, go ahead.

Integral · Post by **Integral** » August 18th, 2004, 4:32 am

Honestly, while you are perfectly within your rights to do this, I find it rather incongruous to see people talking about "theft" of maps on the forums of a free software project.

Daniel

Lunar2 · Post by **Lunar2** » August 18th, 2004, 4:33 am

That's why I asked.

Lunar2 · Post by **Lunar2** » August 18th, 2004, 4:37 am

I'm being bombarded in all directions on these two threads, just as I was ingame!

I will not reply to further posts, period.

miyo · Post by **miyo** » August 18th, 2004, 5:47 am

http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

- Miyo

scott · Post by **scott** » August 18th, 2004, 5:50 am

Somebody please lock this thread. Take it to Jerry Springer, ladies.

Circon · Post by **Circon** » August 18th, 2004, 5:56 am

Ah yes, the guy who said that if I made a change to his map, then I would be a) "stealing" the whole thing and b) "forcing" it on all players...

Shut up.

bear · Post by **bear** » August 18th, 2004, 7:21 am

Ok, I can't help but stick my nose in this business...

While I do not side with Lunar in his views on sharing a map, I do agree that it is still his choice. If he chooses not to share a map of his creation, then anyone making a copy of this map is (in my opinion) unethical. It may not be illegal under the GPL guidelines. However, it seems to me like it is in extreme poor taste for anyone to say I like what you have done, so I'm going to pillage it for myself. Especially because the person who made the map is not saying that he doesn't want people to play on it and take it ever. He's just saying for people to lay off right now because it's not finished yet.

The people who like to take other people's work, let me challenge you guys to just create your own stuff. Isn't that much more fulfilling anyway? If you have the talent and know-how to improve on someone's work, wouldn't you have the talent and know-how to create your own work? To me, it smacks more of laziness than anything else. I could be wrong, but it seems that people are unwilling to put in the work to build something from scratch.

But I digress. That's not even the point. The point is, if someone asks others to lay off their intellectual property until they feel ready to release it to the general public, then wouldn't it only be right for us to abide by their wishes? Instead of forcing our own will on the situation.

Anyway. That's my 2Ã‚Â¢.

miyo · Post by **miyo** » August 18th, 2004, 8:16 am

Copy of map is anyways done because of AutoSave... if person feels he is not ready to share it in public... he should not be using the map in public.

- Miyo

tigrezno · Post by **tigrezno** » August 18th, 2004, 10:53 am

<troll>

I've played with lunar2 and all i can say is he should grow. Is the tipical american-ego-insolator who call noob at you for using new strategies, for having a different opinion and for begin losing the game.

typical chat:

"x1 - oh my strategy isn't working right now"
"lunar2 - you are a noob"
"lunar2 - i'm better than you, you don't know what strategy is... bla bla bla"

<edit>
ouch, also, if you answer him something he don't like, it's usual to get a negative/bad response from him. (i looked at some of his posts)
</edit>

</troll>

Post by **Dave** » August 18th, 2004, 11:56 am

The Wesnoth developers have no opinion on the matter of a user releasing a map or other game content under a non-GPL license and then being unhappy that other users are not complying with the license.

This is the same sort of issue as some Gimp users arguing over who has copyright over some images created in the Gimp. The developers have neither the time nor the compulsion to become involved.

We are programmers and content creators....not dispute resolution mediators...

David

Post by **Viliam** » August 18th, 2004, 12:03 pm

miyo wrote:Copy of map is anyways done because of AutoSave...

...unless that AutoSave is somehow connected with AutoPublish feature

, I see no reason to republish the unfinished level, if author does not want that.

Guess how many things get copied into my web-browser's cache! I still do not feel entitled to republish them.

It's all just about being polite, and respecting other person's wishes, even if that person cannot enforce them.

bear · Post by **bear** » August 18th, 2004, 4:22 pm

Villiam, great way of putting it. Exactly my sentiment.

Dave and Miyo, you guys are developers and you are absolutely right that you do not have the time, nor should you guys be obligated to deal with something like this.

tigrezno. I agree with you. Lunar2 is lacking in his maturity. Especially in social situations. However, let's not confuse two issues here. This isn't about his attitude or maturity. This is about a legitimate question regarding what he deems as his intellectual property. After all, a person can be an a-hole, but if he has a legitimate claim in court, should the judge just throw his case out because he's an a-hole?