Loyalist Portrait Series

Post by **DUHH** » March 28th, 2009, 12:27 pm

LordBob wrote:Thanks for the advice, I'm often struggling with the search for valid reference.
As far as lines are concerned, I do a bit of everything. Vector for armour parts that have to be regular and nicely curved, brush with line-weight variation for hair, hands and the like, without for clothing...I don't have a definite rule, I work mostly on gut feeling.

Ah, so it´s vector on the armor. I just thought you had an incredibly steady hand, and then I felt really bad about myself.

Which program do you use. Do you switch programs for the vector? If you do it all in photoshop, which tools?

Post by **LordBob** » March 28th, 2009, 2:13 pm

Oh, but I do have an incredibly steady hand

I work mostly with photoshop. My only step out is when cleaning the lineart : once it's finished, I vectorize it with Inkscape for better lines (the lines I draw tend to get blurry after multiple erasing and countless strokes), before switching back to photoshop . I've considered doing the entire lineart with Inkscape, but it's a lot of learning since I've been using photoshop for years now.

Finished horseman linework
EDIT: and a quick sketch of the lancer for a check of his pose

Post by **Sgt. Groovy** » March 28th, 2009, 6:18 pm

The room for the horseman's cranium is a bit small, considering there must be some space between the helmet and the head. That, or the face is too large for the head.

Post by **DUHH** » March 28th, 2009, 6:41 pm

LordBob wrote:Oh, but I do have an incredibly steady hand

OK, now I just feel bad about myself.

And you´re officially on my people-I-hate-because-they-have-steady-hands-list!

New sketch looks great. Lot´s of motion.

On the horsesman-sketch the head of the horse works better now, but you can still shave off about a centimeter from the front of the horse neck. It´s really quite incredibly thick in your version. Made a quickie paintover.

And... damn.... Sgt.Groovy has X-ray vision or something. He notices what´s hidden behind shield and helmets and armor all the time. It aints natural, I tell ye...

Post by **LordBob** » March 28th, 2009, 7:55 pm

Groovy: point taken. I think this kind of helm can be closer to the skull thanks to its crest, but nevertheless I'll toy with the helm in the final linework.

Duhh : was joking

My hand is steady enough on paper, but drawing on the tablet with eyes fixed on the screen is a quite different tale (not that I can't do it, but it takes a lot longer)

As to the thickness of horses' necks, this picture suggests otherwise. Altogether I'll stick to a possibly overlarge neck because it gives off a feeling of strength, which is always good for a battle mount.

In the meantime I drew another sketch, this time the paladin

Post by **thespaceinvader** » March 28th, 2009, 8:01 pm

Me likey muchly =)

I know you were thinking about runes for the Paladin. How would you feel about the Ugaritic alphabet? It would tie nicely with what Kitty's used on some of the mages =) and we could put in some hidden messages. I'd prefer you not to use futhark-type runes if possible, i'd like to keep those as dwarf territory.

Post by **DUHH** » March 28th, 2009, 8:22 pm

LordBob wrote:As to the thickness of horses' necks, this picture suggests otherwise. Altogether I'll stick to a possibly overlarge neck because it gives off a feeling of strength, which is always good for a battle mount.

Well, first... from the back of the neck to the front is of course much wider than from side to side, and at your angle it still shouldn´t be quite as thick even on a muscle-horse. As far as I can tell.

And second... If you wanna do a muscle-horse... Do a muscle horse. Look at the head on the one you linked. It´s a massive head with, probably with lot´s of rugged features(If we could see them in the picture). Your horse-head on the other hand... That´s the head of a horse that listens to Celine Dion and cries during made for TV movies.

Now what you need to do is find some reference of a horse with a great muscular body and head, and start exaggerating that ever so little. Just like realistic fantasy-art warriors have muscles like movie-stars or wrestlers and not of real warriors, realistic fantasy-horses need to have muscles that are built on steroids and with personal trainers to tone and define and give them that special Brad Pitt tummy. Or whatever horsies get.

So on intention I give you an A+.

But as is it doesn´t look like you intended.

Or that´s at least my two cents.

JW · Post by JW » March 29th, 2009, 5:43 am

Paladin. Hot. Drool.

Post by **West** » March 29th, 2009, 9:22 am

DUHH wrote:Now what you need to do is find some reference of a horse with a great muscular body and head, and start exaggerating that ever so little. Just like realistic fantasy-art warriors have muscles like movie-stars or wrestlers and not of real warriors, realistic fantasy-horses need to have muscles that are built on steroids and with personal trainers to tone and define and give them that special Brad Pitt tummy. Or whatever horsies get.

Not a very good photo, but a beautiful animal.

(I can understand Ian Anderson's love for these beasts

)

Post by **Boucman** » March 29th, 2009, 9:45 am

indeed, that's a good war horse reference...

Lord.Bedham · Post by **Lord.Bedham** » March 29th, 2009, 2:51 pm

Wow great scetches, for the Paladin i wish me a Great Helm, something like this.

Its a Typical knight helm, for the High Middleage.

cretin · Post by **cretin** » March 29th, 2009, 4:19 pm

thats probably better suited to the grand knight than the paladin. i love all these new portraits being made, just makes the game so much better.

Post by **LordBob** » March 29th, 2009, 4:58 pm

Unfortunately, the great helm isn't a design I like very much, mostly because it is very simple compared to the armour suits of the loyalist. The lancer will get the crown thingy, but the resemblance stops there.

As a break from the sketches, flats for the cavalryman. I gave him heavier armour (plus a piece of mail for the horse) and removed the crossbow altogether : he will be the lvl.1 portrait while lvl.2/3 get a signle portrait.

Post by **kitty** » March 29th, 2009, 9:00 pm

Post by **DUHH** » March 29th, 2009, 9:11 pm

I was definetly way off with my criticism of the horses neck.

But... The head needs to get bigger.

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