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Tamur · Post by **Tamur** » June 27th, 2007, 3:25 pm

The shade around his mouth is a beard?

No, as Sgt. Groovy suggested, it's 5-o-clock shadow... stubble of a day's beard growth. I'd very much prefer not putting a full beard on him, but of course this is a democracy, so whatever the majority would like.

The scarf should go around his neck, now it looks like it does not.

The scarf? Should there be a scarf on this unit? If you're referring to the colour at the back of the neck, that's long red hair -- which of course can be removed as well if it bothers people.

toms · Post by **toms** » June 27th, 2007, 3:28 pm

Tamur wrote:
The scarf should go around his neck, now it looks like it does not.
The scarf? Should there be a scarf on this unit? If you're referring to the colour at the back of the neck, that's long red hair -- which of course can be removed as well if it bothers people.

I'm sorry for my lingual mistake, I meant the collar.

(I see nothing wrong with the hair of course)

Post by **Sgt. Groovy** » June 27th, 2007, 3:59 pm

I'd very much prefer not putting a full beard on him, but of course this is a democracy, so whatever the majority would like.

Actually, this is more like an enlightened oligarchy. We all get to say our opinion, but ultimately, the art devs call the shots.

And the stubble is just perfect!

Tamur · Post by **Tamur** » June 27th, 2007, 4:04 pm

Oh, the collar! Yes, well spotted and a very good point. I'll get that fixed, thank you!

TL · Post by TL » June 27th, 2007, 8:45 pm

Looking really cool, the helmet is awesome now. The face has a lot more definition now and makes him look much tougher compared to the original version.

Only other comment I have is a very minor thing, it looks to me like the outline of the purple area on the shield is still the same dark red from the red version of the shield. I don't know if this is really even an issue at all, it does seem like a very sharp contrast but that's not always entirely a bad thing.

Website · Post by **Sapient** » June 27th, 2007, 10:09 pm

theotherhiveking wrote:The shade around his mouth is a beard? If not it looks bad for me. If it is a beard make it darker.

If you have red hair, the beard stuble is not very dark at all. So you can go longer without shaving and no one will notice

Post by **Jetrel** » June 27th, 2007, 10:35 pm

After looking at that, I'd suggest using a method like the following to do stubble - the exception for this would be that the lines for this stubble would be the same red that borders his hair (just like they're done with a two-layer setup with white on top for the older "highwayman"):
http://img178.echo.cx/img178/964/highwayman5so.png
http://img178.echo.cx/img178/1430/thug6og.png
http://exong.net/wesnoth-attach/files/peasant_140.png
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/9619/baldras2ze.png

Sgt. Groovy wrote:Actually, this is more like an enlightened oligarchy. We all get to say our opinion, but ultimately, the art devs call the shots.

Yep.

Tamur · Post by **Tamur** » June 28th, 2007, 3:19 pm

All right, stubble changed, lining on shield fixed, and collar fixed. I tried a more reddish stubble but it just wasn't showing so I went with a bit darker. Again, comments welcome.

Actually, this is more like an enlightened oligarchy.

Plato would be thrilled!

Post by **West** » June 28th, 2007, 5:44 pm

Hmm... I don't think the stubble looks "right" TBH. Nothing wrong with it technically of course, I mean that it clashes with his otherwise impeccable military appearance. Shining armor, spotless tunic (or whatever that garment is called), not as much as a dent in the shield, and... stubble? Boy, is he going to get yelled at by some officer during inspection!

Lovely image aside from that minor detail. I like it.

Tamur · Post by **Tamur** » June 28th, 2007, 6:24 pm

I personally don't like this stubble at all -- and I don't like it on the Lutes' portraits either. However, I will bow to the enlightened oligarchy's wishes in any event.

jdsampayo · Post by **jdsampayo** » June 28th, 2007, 6:35 pm

Zhukov wrote:Hmm, while I'm at it, a couple of general things. Be aware that the artwork side of Wesnoth is very collabrative. Work you post will likely receive quite a bit of feedback. Plenty of it will be from folks who know what they are talking about. Unfortunately some will be from people who are utterly clueless. And of course some will be from people somewhere in the middle (like myself). Also, occasionally people may edit your work, usually to point out possible problems or suggest improvements that would be hard to put into words. Hopefully all this will not be a problem.

As Zhukov said: some will be from people who are utterly clueless.
Don't put the stubble if you don't like it. Only because a person say it, doesn't mean that it must be that way (or maybe only if that person is from the enlightened oligarchy

)
BTW Excellent work, personally I liked more the 5-o-clock shadow. But it's your decision.

cheers!

Post by **torangan** » June 28th, 2007, 6:40 pm

Don't forget that you're the artist. If you prefer him slightly more heavily built and without beard then go for it. There will always be people who like some variation more then others but you should be mainly concerned with technical critique from our art devs.

theotherhiveking · Post by **theotherhiveking** » June 28th, 2007, 6:44 pm

i vote the one with beard... really do you think that a cavalier in middle age, and in a war are going to always go perfectly shaved? that the reason. the last one is very good.

jdsampayo · Post by **jdsampayo** » June 28th, 2007, 7:24 pm

Tamur wrote:I personally don't like this stubble at all -- and I don't like it on the Lutes' portraits either. However, I will bow to the enlightened oligarchy's wishes in any event.

Well, I think Lutes portraits have stubble because they are outlaws, but the one you are doing is a soldier. As West said, the captain will kick him if he sees that stubble

Anyway, you have the final word. These are only suggestions of the community.

Post by **turin** » June 28th, 2007, 7:31 pm

If you're going to be emulating the Lutes style of stubble, I think you need
* fewer pieces of stubble
* for the remaining pieces to be longer (perhaps about twice as long)
* for him not to have a mustache

Not that I think you should emulate that style... in my opinion he shouldn't have stubble, it doesn't make much sense. I think the version you posted earlier (before you added stubble) is good enough to commit, I'd go with that version.