These units with only 3 traits...

Post by **Noyga** » February 5th, 2007, 12:04 am

F8 Binds... wrote:Although I am not a great opponent of units getting 3 traits, I have one problem, involving balancing. When you remove the adept's "strong" trait, you give it a greater chance to get resilient. This makes the adept line overpower the mage line. Who agrees? The troll doesn't get intelligent, and I understand that. This has little effect on gameplay.

The Dark Adept looses strong but still have 4 other possible traits : resilient, quick, intelligent, fearless
The trolls now have 4 possible traits : resilient, strong, quick, fearless

There is no more mainline units that can get 3 possible traits in that version of wesnoth (since we're speaking of 1.3).

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 12:52 am

Gus wrote:
F8 Binds... wrote: I never mentioned not liking the troll having 3 traits, IT FITS THE TROLL TO GET RESILIENT AND STRONG MORE OFTEN!.
Says who? Why would it fit the Troll to be resilient more often? Does that mean it fits other units less? What about those elusive units like skirmisher or thief, is it fit for them to have resilient?

stop nitpicking at my posts. if you note, I was merely addressing the fact that i was alright with the troll only having 3 traits. XP I was NOT saying it does not fit other units. i was mainly reffering to adepts, thanks!

the troll it makes sense, as they are large, tough, and have "blunt force trauma." XD

edit: didn't see noyga's post. yes, now this discussion can end.

Post by **Blarumyrran** » February 5th, 2007, 12:57 am

F8 Binds... wrote:the troll it makes sense, as they are large, tough, and have "blunt force trauma." XD

no, you got it all wrong, they lack BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 1:01 am

Syntax_Error wrote:
F8 Binds... wrote:the troll it makes sense, as they are large, tough, and have "blunt force trauma." XD
no, you got it all wrong, they lack BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA.

you're with higher game? who says i was speaking of L1 trolls? the troll makes the nice bonking noise when you attacks with its.... and who said i was reffering to damage? maybe i was reffering to the nature of trolls? (again! stop nitpicking my posts!)

Gus · Post by **Gus** » February 5th, 2007, 1:10 am

F8 Binds... wrote: stop nitpicking at my posts. if you note, I was merely addressing the fact that i was alright with the troll only having 3 traits. XP I was NOT saying it does not fit other units. i was mainly reffering to adepts, thanks!

the troll it makes sense, as they are large, tough, and have "blunt force trauma." XD

edit: didn't see noyga's post. yes, now this discussion can end.

I'm not nitpicking, i'm pointing out flaws of reasoning.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 1:17 am

dictionary.com wrote:Nitpicking- To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » February 5th, 2007, 1:22 am

I don't disagree with this definition. I'll leave it to you as an exercise to find out how my previous post and your definition can not be contradictory, which should, in the process, shed light on why we seem to disagree.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 1:30 am

I never mentioned not liking the troll having 3 traits, IT FITS THE TROLL TO GET RESILIENT AND STRONG MORE OFTEN!. It doesn't fit the adept to get the resilient trait 66% of the time. Traits are meant to be unique to the unit, and 66% lacks the "unique"ness of what traits are meant to be.

blue= insignificant details.
red= significant details.

sorry, I do not mean to start a "flame-war", but i think you should not have posted at all, in another post i did note that this topic is dead as no units in 1.3 will have 3 traits. don't post again.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » February 5th, 2007, 1:37 am

F8 Binds... wrote:I never mentioned not liking the troll having 3 traits, IT FITS THE TROLL TO GET RESILIENT AND STRONG MORE OFTEN!.

See below.

It doesn't fit the adept to get the resilient trait 66% of the time. Traits are meant to be unique to the unit, and 66% lacks the "unique"ness of what traits are meant to be.

That's what you don't seem to get. How is it less unique for the adept than for the troll? On what grounds does it fit the troll more? Because it's bulky? You seem to forget that traits are variations within the race. Major flaw here, in your reasoning. Hence no "nitpicking". The details are not insignificant, your whole "theory" is based on them, and happens to be wrong.

sorry, I do not mean to start a "flame-war", but i think you should not have posted at all, in another post i did note that this topic is dead as no units in 1.3 will have 3 traits.

The topic is more about whether or not some units (like the adept or the troll) should have a different set of traits than others in their faction/race.

don't post again.

Or what?

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 2:16 am

adepts should be more frail in my opinion than trolls. that simple. and when i was refering to 66%, i don't think 66% of adepts are resilient. by having 3 traits, the traits become less unique. however, as earlier mentioned, there are no units that in the future will have 3 traits. there you go. (now you must realize that i am trying my best to debate this, i'm only 15.)

Gus · Post by **Gus** » February 5th, 2007, 2:33 am

F8 Binds... wrote:(now you must realize that i am trying my best to debate this, i'm only 15.)

I'm sure you do, and i have nothing against you. Try to be less paranoid when someone answers your post or believes you made a mistake, it's not necessarily because they want your head.
I was only showing you that there are no reasons for trolls to be resilient more often than adepts, because traits are "dynamic" in a way. A resilient adept is more resilient than a non-resilient adept, but it doesn't mean it's as resilient as a resilient troll. Also, traits are supposed to be equally distributed among the population (this stands true for every single unit but the adepts and the troll, but that's why there was a controversy in the first place...), by convention. I'm not saying "weighing" the distribution of traits would be a bad feature per se, but it's not the way the system works.

Post by **F8 Binds...** » February 5th, 2007, 2:36 am

agreed. let's drop the topic.

Post by **Jetrel** » February 5th, 2007, 6:06 am

F8 Binds... wrote:agreed. let's drop the topic.

How about I lock the topic instead?
There are better uses for everyone's time.