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Post by **Blarumyrran** » December 16th, 2006, 4:37 pm

does high-bread mean they get high when eating bread?

(a bread full of cocaine, perhaps)

Krispos · Post by **Krispos** » December 16th, 2006, 4:38 pm

High bred? Are you serious? Trolls and Orcs are to archaic and illiterate to understand how to isolate paticular traits in their offspring. They wouldn't value gold or bright colors, nor would they allow a whelp to be in charge of the defences of a warlord.

Post by **Boucman** » December 16th, 2006, 5:22 pm

and gold is pretty useless on armor, it's a soft metal

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » December 16th, 2006, 5:26 pm

Gold lining and sheets aren't. But hell that would be hideous to repair after a battle.

You know, in reality.

Krispos · Post by **Krispos** » December 16th, 2006, 5:42 pm

You have to think in terms of what the faction values. The Northeners value strength, power, and any means necessary. They're decent smiths and whatnot so you're best off having a large, powerful Troll with bulky muscles and makeshift steel weapons and armor. Basically a bipedal tank. Only lavishing colors should be the red eyes IMO.

Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » December 16th, 2006, 10:10 pm

It may be the same excuse with the lavinian's which is gold-painted armor.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 16th, 2006, 10:14 pm

Practically speaking, gold is not ideal as a material for weapons and armour - but if it was the only metal that was available in large amounts (if, for example, you live in a gold mine), it would not be unreasonable to use it anyway.
While it is heavy, that probably isn't much of an issue for a troll. And it's soft, but still harder than bare skin - with the advantage that, because of its softness, it can be worked cold. If I were about to charge into battle, and I were strong enough to move in a suit of golden plate armour, I'd rather wear it than not wear anything.

Post by **Boucman** » December 16th, 2006, 10:52 pm

huh ???

when I say soft, gold is really soft. any pure gold could probably be folded with your bare hand, a golden armor has gold plating, it's not made oof gold, and that's usually purely for decorative purpose

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 16th, 2006, 10:55 pm

As I said...
Yes, gold is incredibly soft. But not as soft as unarmoured flesh.
Wouldn't you rather have weak armour, than no armour at all?
Assuming that you were a troll, that is, and therefore strong enough and clumsy enough not to be noticeable impeded by the weight?
I know I would - I realise that the ancient Celts had a reputation for fighting in the nude, but that's one of our traditions that I'm not keen to uphold!

Secondary point - Wesnoth is a fantasy game, set in a fantasy world. Maybe in that world, there is a metal with the colour of gold and the strength of iron? Brass looks similar to gold, if you don't look too hard - why couldn't there be another, similar-looking but harder metal?

Post by **Boucman** » December 16th, 2006, 11:21 pm

leather is probably a better armor than gold.

Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » December 16th, 2006, 11:27 pm

I don't see a Troll's need of armor of the gold kind anyway. Their skin would be much thicker and stronger than the gold, so in essence it would be a decoration.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 16th, 2006, 11:30 pm

Yeah, it probably is, if you have a cow to hand.
But if you don't, it makes sense to use whatever is have available, rather than following in my ancestors' footsteps and trusting in luck and 'magical' blue paint to protect you.

I guess it boils down to the question, "Can Tristan/D_C provide a good justification for golden armour?".
If it's just for appearance, it's an amazingly bad idea, but if there's actually a rational explanation for it then fair enough.

appleide · Post by **appleide** » December 17th, 2006, 12:11 am

In any case... Why is the level 2 troll standing up and your prince of trolls crawling on the floor/?

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » December 17th, 2006, 2:40 am

That little troll has to crawl because of all the tiny troll tunnels that he won't fit through.

And by high-bread I think he meant they are expensive to recruit.

Ryorin · Post by **Ryorin** » December 17th, 2006, 3:16 am

I'd rather not wear gold plate armor, if you got hit hard you could have not only the weapon stuck in you, but also gold shrapnel. I wouldn't want either. I'd rather fight using only skill to avoid dying.