[Historical] Campaign-Rebirth of the North

[Taurus]

Thanks for the hints, it went much better this time. I also got some lvl3 outlaws now. But there seems to be a problem with lvl3 poachers (rangers): When they attack, the defense is always 0-0 no matter if I use the sword or bow...

The next mission (old friend) is VERY easy if you just stay in the cave and defend (this is not very sporty behaviour, I know !). It can be done with just a handful of lvl1 guys with the healers behind them.

Maybe the mission goals could be set to at least defeat one or two of the orcish leaders. That way it would be much more challenging and closer to how it was meant to be, I believe.

Ahh, thanks for pointing that out about the rangers. I know what the problem is and i'll get it fixed. Old friend is pretty easy if you want to play it that way, but that was my intention. It was intended to be kind of a stalemate situation where you couldn't take out the orcs, and they couldn't take you out. Besides, you just got to recuit a bunch of new units so it gives you a chance to level some of them up.

[Angry Andersen]

I understand your intention behind 'old friend' and having a stalemate scenario is different from the scenarios before, so that's good.

But then I think the stalemate can be achieved too easily for the player. If you want to keep the winning conditions you could still make the cave slightly harder to defend by e.g. widening it a bit so that the orcs can apply more units.

I think you had a certain idea of how the map should be played when you created it: Offensively ! And having that in mind, I believe you made the map to be most interesting and challenging if it was played that way. But as far as I see, the winning conditions encourage a different way of playing it (i.e. defensively), in which case it becomes too easy.

I would usually prefer winning conditions that encourage playing a scenario the way it is intended. If you don't think this is so important, then I agree the scenario is ok as it is.

[Sly]

he next mission (old friend) is VERY easy
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Maybe the mission goals could be set to at least defeat one or two of the orcish leaders. That way it would be much more challenging and closer to how it was meant to be, I believe.

Did you defeat one of them ? the result is ... pretty nasty

But I like this scenario when you try to fight that much enemies

Currently I'm in the last one, but my poor PC has a harsh time managing all these units, but I'm winning (although I hadn't laucnhed wesnoth in about 3 weeks)

[Angry Andersen]

No I didn't. I won by buying 2 fencers, two heavy infantry and an archer and levelling them just by standing there in the castle.

I'll replay the level 'properly' when I have time.

[Taurus]

The only thing that I feel indicates that this scearnio should be played deffensivley is the seccond victory condidion - "survive till end of turns". Otherwise the plotline and the first victory condition both indicate an offensive stratagy. Perhaps I should rephrase the seccond victory condiotion. As a matter of fact, I originally just had the first victory condidion, but then people started complaining that this scenario was impossible - which it is - but they didn't know that they would still 'win' if the turns ran out.

Another thing that I had in mind when I made the cave so easy to deffend, was that the player has just gotten through two really difficult scenarios. Having an easy way out on this one gives them a little 'break' if you know what I am saying. When I play a campaign myself I kind of like it when a few scenarios are thrown in like that. But at the same time if you still want a challange, then it's right there dangeling in your face.

[Angry Andersen]

Well, if you missed the gold in the previous level you will really need the break...

[Taurus]

I guess I started feeling a bit listless without having a campiagn on the go so I started working on another branch for Northern Rebirth. If anyone recalls, in the forth scenario, you have an option to either listen to Malifor and kill Hamel, or leave Hamel and kill Malifor as you oringinally intended to do. I had originally planned on adding a branch at that point whch takes the player off in a different direction where you play undead. But untill I got around to it, I just patched it up that Tallin gets taken out by the wizard soon after he turns.

Anyhow, I changed that event so that now when you take the option to betray your friends, it takes the campaign in a totally new direction and, as menioned, you play as undead. Version 1.14, currantly being uploaded to the server includes the first sceanrio in that branch, as well as the usual few tweeks and bug fixes in the rest of the Campaign.

As always, suggestions, comments and questions are welcome.

[Angry Andersen]

Nice twist of the story... I wonder how you will get it to fit with the rest !

Anyway, Undead scenarios are cool ! (see thread an faction balancing)

I'll have a look at the new version when I have time.

[ozean]

I also got some lvl3 outlaws now. But there seems to be a problem with lvl3 poachers (rangers): When they attack, the defense is always 0-0 no matter if I use the sword or bow

Ahh, thanks for pointing that out about the rangers. I know what the problem is and i'll get it fixed.

I just downloaded the 1.4 release and the problem with rangers persists – I think this also applies to the demilich who becomes your ally.

In addition, the Troll chiefs did not really recruit any significant forces in the scenario where you follow the gold that has been stolen. I brought them down with no problems in 9 rounds.

Otherwise, your campaign is good enough to keep me from work and continue playing even though it becomes seriously slow on my trusty Pismo PowerBook upgraded with a G4 550 Mhz processor…

[Taurus]

I just downloaded the 1.4 release and the problem with rangers persists – I think this also applies to the demilich who becomes your ally.

In addition, the Troll chiefs did not really recruit any significant forces in the scenario where you follow the gold that has been stolen. I brought them down with no problems in 9 rounds.

Otherwise, your campaign is good enough to keep me from work and continue playing even though it becomes seriously slow on my trusty Pismo PowerBook upgraded with a G4 550 Mhz processor…

Argh! I thought I had it but I guess not. I'll look into it again. And the scenario with the Troll chiefs has been a constant problem. They tonns of gold but they just don't seem to take the hint. But now that you have brought it up, I think i'll put some more effort into it.

I am glad you like the campaign Thanks for the comments.

[JimBass]

Hello all! Thanks for this campaign, I'm enjoying it.

I did hit a technical snag, where the white skeleton team in Infested Caves just stalls out. The game doesn't crash, but the white flag stays up, and they shuffle but don't take any action, outside juggling their own heads!

The write up and saved game is in the tech support page, and I was redirected to post it here.

http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 285#195285

Peace,
JimBass

[Taurus]

Interesting... Thanks for taking the time to report that and i'll definatly check it out. I am almost ready for another release and i'll be sure to add a fix to this problem before it comes out. It shouldn't be more then a few days.

Thanks again.

[JimBass]

Rock and Roll! I'll get it via SVN soon after you get it up. If you want a tester for the fix, I'd be glad to do it.

Peace,
JimBass

[Taurus]

Hi JimBass

Well, I opended your saved game and played through a couple of turns, and I didn't have any problems at all! Do you think it could be something to do with your build of Wesnoth?

[JimBass]

I would have guessed not, but as you had no problems and I did, it suggests otherwise. I updated the game via svn on Thursday, but I just did it again after reading your post. I'm posting the output of ./configure just incase anything weird jumps out at you. I have automake 1.9.6, kernel 2.6.18.1 on debian unstable. Almost everything is built from source, and I don't get errors when I use any of these programs.

In any case, here is ./configure:

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Updated to revision 14305.
jim@jimsworktop:~/wesnoth$ ./autogen.sh
jim@jimsworktop:~/wesnoth$ ./configure
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Both make and make install proceed with no errors, and I won't post those as both are many times the length of the configure.

Even after the fresh build, I still get stuck on the white team turn in round seven. I managed to save at the last minute possible. If you load this save, if it behaves like mine you'll start out looking at my castle, with the white flag up, and you can't move the view. Still not crashed, just nothing happens.

Thanks again for your help!

Peace,
JimBass

Afterwards - I get this output in the terminal that I launched the game from -

found valid cache at '/home/jim/.wesnoth/cache/game.cfg-cache-v1.3-svn-CAMPAIGN_NORTHERN_REBIRTH-HARD' using it
scenario: 'infested_caves'
has snapshot: yes
setting replay to end...
scenario: 'infested_caves'
error display: could not open image ''