Imperial Multiplayer Era - version 0.17 released

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 3:28 pm

Hm... The thing is, if the creature isn't viewed as sentient (like the dolphin might have been, I don't remember), it doesn't make sense to have it be a unit unless there is a human controlling it.

What about a Nemidian riding a hippo?

Ranger M · Post by **Ranger M** » April 17th, 2006, 3:31 pm

turin wrote:What about a Nemidian riding a hippo?

That's actually the best proposal so far (so much competition), but trouble is, where would a Nemidian get a Hippo?

I would suggest some kind of slave or gladiator riding a hippo instead.

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 3:58 pm

Ranger M wrote:
turin wrote:What about a Nemidian riding a hippo?
That's actually the best proposal so far (so much competition), but trouble is, where would a Nemidian get a Hippo?

Well, presumably hippos would live in Nemidia... hippos live in Africa, right? i don't see the problem.

BTW, I FINALLY got the rage(number) thing for the fury line to work right. That does, unfortunately, mean that the SVN IE is now wesnoth-SVN-only.

Ranger M · Post by **Ranger M** » April 17th, 2006, 4:01 pm

turin wrote:Well, presumably hippos would live in Nemidia... hippos live in Africa, right? i don't see the problem.

BTW, I FINALLY got the rage(number) thing for the fury line to work right. That does, unfortunately, mean that the SVN IE is now wesnoth-SVN-only.

Good point...

and glad to hear that you got rage working, although I won't be able to use it yet

unsung · Post by **unsung** » April 17th, 2006, 7:26 pm

Guess what makes me happy: I got my connection working today, so I can download the new Imperial Era. Time to try out all those new abilities, and wish people understood the phrase: "you need to have the current version of the imperial era downloaded from the campaign server for this to work"

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 7:37 pm

Good luck with getting people to realize that.

Hm... think I should release a new version of the IE soon? The only changes so far are the new unit, the Boatsman, and the changes to the Fury line. I'd like to wait until we have a water-going unit for the Lavinians, and have time to change the Sidhe Warrior Spirit to moving on water...

unsung · Post by **unsung** » April 17th, 2006, 7:41 pm

I haven't looked much into this, but the province of geona apparently was known for its sailors (they were invovlved in the siege of constantiople) in medieval times, and geona is just above and to the west of the italian peninsula.
since we can gues it was a roman possesion, why not make an equivalent to the geonese (like the nemidians) and use them as the lavinian water units?
(they'd probably need to be really weak though-they don't need to dominate the sea too.)

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 7:44 pm

Hm... just because you're a good sailor doesn't mean you're good in water when not in your boat. So that might not make a lot of sense.

I think my favorite suggestion so far is the nemidian riding a hippo.

unsung · Post by **unsung** » April 17th, 2006, 7:52 pm

It's true that fighting in water and sailing are different, but he would be in water a lot, and would probably end up making a few attacks on beaches in his life (thus fighting in water).

If you truely prefer hippo riders though then that's fine.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » April 17th, 2006, 8:03 pm

New question: Do all the nautic units must be capable of deep water movement, or good at it?. Because... you know... a hyppo drowns to the bottom by sheer weight.

*thinks*

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 8:11 pm

Capable of deep water movement, yes; good at it, not necessarily.

The "capable of deep water movement" part is what makes me not really like the idea of a sailor unit. Sure, he can fight in shallow water, but deep water?

unsung · Post by **unsung** » April 17th, 2006, 8:17 pm

He can swim. Or you could put him on a raft, like I think someone said earlier.

Post by **turin** » April 17th, 2006, 8:37 pm

OK, so, list of ideas for Lavinian water unit:

1. Hippo rider.
2. Raftsman.
3. Crocodile rider.
4. Dolphin.
5. Swimming legionnaire.

That's in my order of preference. Now, some explanations:

1. I like this idea a lot, but there's been some stuff about him being unable to move in deep water. We need that straightened out.
2. Decent idea, but it seems too similar to the Marauder Boatsman, which we already have graphics for.
3. This just doesn't seem to fit.
4. Although I like this idea, a dolphin wouldn't be able to move in anything but water, deep water, and swamp.
5. Um...

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » April 17th, 2006, 8:43 pm

Have it be some sort of giant hippocampus (seahorse). Poseidon/Neptune was associated with these, and also with dolphins. I propose Seahorses because dolphin-riders seems somewhat off for warfare.

In fact, why not this seahorse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Will ... 855%29.jpg

Seems to be some sort of overgrown seal.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » April 17th, 2006, 9:30 pm

wikipedia wrote:Adult hippos are not generally buoyant. When in deep water, they usually propel themselves by leaps, pushing off from the bottom. They have been observed to move at 8 km/h in water.

Hippo's can swim in deep water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus