Some more "new troll discussion"

[Sapient]

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Perhaps the new trolls are really pretty controversial? If you'd ask me, I prefer the old trolls for their rocky look. The new trolls don't look half as hard as the old ones.
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Not only is this comment off topic, it has been thoroughly explained many times why the old troll had to go. It was too similar to a non-GPL sprite, and we were waiting for something fresh and original. Thankfully, neorice provided this.

Whenever I observe a meaningless or poorly worded criticism, I make a point of defending the artist. They are doing this for fun, and defending themselves from poorly worded or ill-informed criticism is most definitely NOT fun.

I think I have offered some valuable feedback to artists in the past, but if the Devs disagree, then that is their decision. Afterall, they do a lot more artwork for Wesnoth than I have, and more art in general.

[Mith]

[off topic]
Perhaps the new trolls are really pretty controversial? If you'd ask me, I prefer the old trolls for their rocky look. The new trolls don't look half as hard as the old ones.
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Not only is this comment off topic, it has been thoroughly explained many times why the old troll had to go. It was too similar to a non-GPL sprite, and we were waiting for something fresh and original. Thankfully, neorice provided this.

Whenever I observe a meaningless or poorly worded criticism, I make a point of defending the artist. They are doing this for fun, and defending themselves from poorly worded or ill-informed criticism is most definitely NOT fun.

I think I have offered some valuable feedback to artists in the past, but if the Devs disagree, then that is their decision. Afterall, they do a lot more artwork for Wesnoth than I have, and more art in general.

geez, don't be so picky. The fact that there is a lot of criticism on these new trolls is perhaps a sign that those trolls are not what most ppl expect trolls to be. That is a not quite meaningless and completely neutral remark, definitly not worth a rant.

I am not saying that there is no need for new trolls or whatever, I am just saying I think the old trolls look better than the new ones and I even offer a reason. That is not remotely close to 'poorly worded or ill-informed criticism'. It is 'just my opinion'. If I had to redesing trolls, I would make different choices and make them look more like rocks to reflect their hardness.
Now neorice did, and he choose different. Nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong stating why I think the old trolls are more appealing than the new ones.

Anyway, why am I replying to a post that completely fails to get my point? Perhaps for the same reasons an artist defends himself to 'poorly worded and ill-informed critisicm'.

[Sapient]

I wasn't saying that your criticism was poorly worded or ill-informed. However, I can understand the confusion since I talked about that issue in the following paragraph.

By all means, a new fresh and original rock-like troll image is a fine idea, but promoting the old troll over neo's work (as your words did, despite possibly grander intentions) is quite frankly, "trolling."

[Mith]

I wasn't saying that your criticism was poorly worded or ill-informed. However, I can understand the confusion since I talked about that issue in the following paragraph.

By all means, a new fresh and original rock-like troll image is a fine idea, but promoting the old troll over neo's work (as your words did, despite possibly grander intentions) is quite frankly, "trolling."

LOL!
A still more off topic remark: I prefer the old trolls, but that's not the same as promoting them. If the graphics where the only reason for replacement, then I would promote the old ones. Since there are more, and more important reasons, I do not so.

[Tux2B]

As the topic concerning troll colours have been closed, I guess I'll have to say what I have to say here.

First of all, I think I made Neorice angry, and I apologize for that, but I really don't see what I did that would make him that angry.
I've tried, as much as my poor knowloedge of English and of art could allow me to make something constructing. It seems I didn't succeed. But what did I do? I told what I found that could be improved in the new trolls. Not telling that you don't need any new ones, or trying to offend neo (which I precised in my latest post, BTW. I even like neorice's art very much). I understand copyright reasons very well. And I didn't seem to be the only one. If you can tell if there is a precise thing that I could have improved, then please tell me.

Concerning what can be constructive and what can't, I think that making a paper explaining some technical words, or what can't be done (maybe some users not knowing about the averaged size of units would have advised to make some out of scale) technically, of what are the priorities, etc...

Concerning what Mith told about not encouraging artists to come here, it is true that it is not helpful. Though if that artist posts a sprite that is very good, I don't think that it will be a problem to find out that he is valuable.

[ivanovic]

Closed with the same reason the old was closed. This thread will lead nowhere. If you really think the new version is bad, make better ones.

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