1 thing wich keeps people with game longer

[Dragonking]

I like idea of statistics, which would be available only for player, not for everyone.
Also rooms are needed - I think 2 - 3 would be enought for now.
And it would be nice to be able to change size of "text screen" - sometimes is hard to talk with current one.

[MuNieK]

it is not a problem if some ppl dont like stats... just 2 kinds of servers:
- friendly server with new players, without stats
- profesional server for those who like to count they victories, and deafeats, and like to have more adrenaline when playing - more motivation to win - wich makes the games more dramatical.

If u r talking about some "failure" of other projects, give us hard arguments - becouse for that what u said i can say: i saw much more projects with stats wich r most popular. You think why ppl creating leagues, ladders, statistic for games wich dont have it?

[Tomsik]

As i see most of good players dont want players segregation, i think only relative new players(i mean players wich play less then 2-3 mounths) want stats.

[MuNieK]

did u made some poll?

[Academicus]

yes, make a poll
experienced players would love to stop playing against newbies that can't play well and leave the game

[turin]

1) Wesnoth's goal is emphatically not to appeal to the broadest audience possible.
2) The kind of players that rankings attract are those that I, personally, don't like to play with... I don't know how many others this is true for, but...
3) "u" is not a word. Refrain from it's use. Please.

[Kestenvarn]

Ranking equals e-peen.

[MuNieK]

of course "u" its not a word, but i though u r inteligent enough to see that its used as a shortcut. If u playing some games wich need quick moves you dont have time to write beutiful sentences. And if you write like that long time then you can make those kind of errors without purpose. And by the way i bet that u would make many errors if u would speak polish same as i know english...

And back to the point,

Wesnoth's goal is emphatically not to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

you are just so stupid or u just playing dump? You are the author of this game? I quess everyone want to have osmething from his work, and in my opinion: more players - more opportunities to earn money. Anyway more players means also that game is better, am i wrong? And the most important thing - if more players will play Wesnoth then there won't be situations like when u waiting hour for players at lobby to play with...

The kind of players that rankings attract are those that I, personally, don't like to play with... I don't know how many others this is true for, but...

So tell me why you dont like those kind of people? Becouse they are not leaving at half of the game (if u are lucky - if not they leaving after several turns, or just after u started game)? Or you have some other reasons? Why you dont tell us why you dont like them? pathetic...

[Anyar]

One point you are wrong on is that more players ≠ better game, unless all script kiddies, and idiots with huge cyber-egos died suddenly. Because when a game gets popular, and has a rank system, all the script kiddies want to be the very best, so they hack and cheat to make it look like they are. We do not want that because it would reduce the quality of the game for everyone. Also, BfW is open source. This means that the developers are not in it for money, they are just making a game that rocks. (And they would probably be rolling in $$ if they made the game corporate.)

[scott]

Wesnoth's goal is emphatically not to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

you are just so stupid or u just playing dump? You are the author of this game? I quess everyone want to have osmething from his work, and in my opinion: more players - more opportunities to earn money. Anyway more players means also that game is better, am i wrong? And the most important thing - if more players will play Wesnoth then there won't be situations like when u waiting hour for players at lobby to play with...

1. I commend your english, as it's far better than my foreign language skills. However, I don't understand why you deliberately try to make errors. It takes longer to read and does not improve communication. And, communication is what a forum is all about.

2. Is someone stupid for telling you the truth? Read this

I'll quote:

Because we are building this game for ourselves and for our preferences, not for you. If you like the game as we like it - that is good. If you hate the game - that is also fine.

3. The game will always be free.

4. Community popularity isn't a yardstick for the game's quality. Refer back to point 2. There are a lot of South Korean youths and millions of other who would not be enthralled with the game because it's not enough like World of Warcraft (for example). Yet, the game is still good. It is an inpenetrable mystery.

5. Right now, the community is something of a happy and harmonious small town trying to figure out how to grow without getting a red light district and a bad part of town. It's better to be smart about it than be quick about it.

[Terpor]

This is getting nasty One of the things that many people like about the Wesnoth comunity is that it is a fairly educated one, that doesn't need to insult the others to discuss some question. Please, help us keep it that way.

[Zilo]

This is getting nasty One of the things that many people like about the Wesnoth comunity is that it is a fairly educated one, that doesn't need to insult the others to discuss some question. Please, help us keep it that way.

i really really agree with this..

To the point: I think that raking system is good in general, but not based on victories or defeats, but on trust: for example that player in the login process will not set only name, but also his skill level:) - this will not need the registration either. Or the second idea i like is that players will have how many games they played... but first i like more.

I dont like rooms in lobby very much in this numbers of players, but i would like fixed this lobby for user - friendlier version - for example that games with vacant slot on top(not last), improvement of text part - so u can scroll what wrote people before and dont be afraid that you will be put back , when someone wrote something, and see which players plays where.

[unsung]

Wesnoth's goal is emphatically not to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

you are just so stupid or u just playing dump? You are the author of this game? I quess everyone want to have osmething from his work, and in my opinion: more players - more opportunities to earn money. Anyway more players means also that game is better, am i wrong? And the most important thing - if more players will play Wesnoth then there won't be situations like when u waiting hour for players at lobby to play with...

The kind of players that rankings attract are those that I, personally, don't like to play with... I don't know how many others this is true for, but...

So tell me why you dont like those kind of people? Becouse they are not leaving at half of the game (if u are lucky - if not they leaving after several turns, or just after u started game)? Or you have some other reasons? Why you dont tell us why you dont like them? pathetic...

1. don't call turin stupid, he's smarter than most people, and you are by extension adimiiting to being stupid. no, I'm not calling you stupid, its just that I doubt you are smarter than him.
2. wesnoth isn't a fastr game, so using 'u' as a shortcut is unnecesary and we hate it
3. The edevelopes have said, and will continue to say, THEY ARE MAKING THE GAME THE WAAY THEY WANT IT TO BE, NOT FOR THE GENERAL AUDIENCE. so, turin is right.
4. because, rankings atrract idiots who cheat and use the word noo and forget wha the ranking measured, playing only for some [censored] number and making MP to frustrating to play.

I just read scott's post so you know have my blunt, somehwta insulting posts and a neutral one to explain it to you.

also ANYTHING making this more like warcraft=satan.*


*Elementals would be the exception, because they are cool.

[Tomsik]

I have no idea why so much peoples says good players would not want to play with worse players, if they want to play with good players and they want to be sure they are good enough(it dont hapens too much time AFAIK), they just play with peoples they know. Im here bit longer here, trust me.

P.S.: I dont exactly mean good players, i think about players wich are here for longer time, but most times it mean the same.

[Yogibear]

Come on folks, calm down!

As i see it, this has a lot to do with respect.

@MuNieK:
Of course you want to be respected as a person and you would like to see your opinion respected, too. I think both holds true. Otherwise the mods would go like
"This has been discussed before a dozen times and we have decided once and for all: No ranks! (Thread ended)"

But they don't do that. Because they respect you and your opinion. In fact if you read through the forums you will see that they encourage discussion and pick up ideas if they like it. Sometimes they decide not to implement it. Lets not forget that it is their very right to do so: After all they, not us, were doing all the work and they did it for free, month after month!

If your idea is not appreciated you can always look for alternatives: Try getting a room with stats instead of having everyone participate, host stats somewhere else, maintain an inofficial ranking system, whatever.

Also, if you want to be respected, you should respect others, too. Turin may not always be the most diplomatic person but there is no reason to annoy him (referring to the "you"-issue). He asked you not to use it anymore and he did it very polite. Obviously he knows about respect. And although it may be more convenient it sure won't break your fingers to type two more letters.