New faction proposition: Artifact faction.

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 15th, 2005, 1:09 am

Darth Fool wrote:
Seiryu wrote:i didn't mind of the number of art that i will need.
Well, You might try just making a single unit to start. Baby steps...

Thats it but i need to find images, still.

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 16th, 2005, 12:33 am

Ok i think I can start this unit, correct me if you don't like it:

[unit]
id=Macro chip
name= _ "Macro chip"
race=Artifact
image=""
image_defensive=""
hitpoints=25
movement_type=fly
movement=7
experience=18
[advancement]
max_times=100
id = tough
description = _ "tough"
[effect]
apply_to=hitpoints
increase_total=2
[/effect]
[/advancement]
level=0
alignment=neutral
advanceto=null
cost=12
usage=scout
unit_description= _ "These little robots have the capacities of having any evolution. They were chosen by they're master because of they're tiniess and they're agility. Most of these were destroyed by the forces of the undeads but a part survived and they reproduced them selves with the resources that they had. Mostly metal. "

[attack]
name=minielectric charge
type=cold
range=short
damage=2
number=2
[/attack]

[attack]
name=metal eating
type=cold
special=drain
range=long
damage=5
number=1
[/attack]
[/unit]

From now i think that I will need some images and names.

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 17th, 2005, 2:21 am

Did some people liked or not my first unit? or I must change it.

Kafka · Post by **Kafka** » August 17th, 2005, 4:19 am

i think you have a good idea going. I think a lot of people got confused when you first stated the idea, but now that you're showing examples of what you mean, it's a lot more understandable. It's hard to comment on a limited amount of units, why don't you make a few more example units and tell us why you think they are balanced and would fit into wesnoth.

Disto · Post by **Disto** » August 17th, 2005, 7:11 am

Seiryu wrote:
scott wrote:They're on the campaign server. There's the High Seas, Demo (default2), Wizard War, and the Summoner's era. They end up in the campaigns directory in your user folder.
Ok but how did some peoples managed to make them.

I first suggest you download scott's default 2 and look how it works, use the wiki to find any WML. Just basically copy other people work to start with, don't try and actually learn it.... Just say copy 1 of the eras and call it whatever you want and then change like all the different bits like the name andd stuff. Once you have a era which works works then copy someone elses units files and replace all the values and save it as your own.

Don't forget the imperial era scott.

Kafka · Post by **Kafka** » August 17th, 2005, 10:14 pm

Hey, if you have a basic unit description, and why the people (erm, artifacts and maybe some people) are working together, history should be added after everything is made. Hey there are still a few gaps in wesnoth history anyway. I say just make the faction, but out some stuff, and the nice forum people will rip it up, erm, i mean help you out....

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 18th, 2005, 12:46 am

Kafka wrote:Hey, if you have a basic unit description, and why the people (erm, artifacts and maybe some people) are working together, history should be added after everything is made. Hey there are still a few gaps in wesnoth history anyway. I say just make the faction, but out some stuff, and the nice forum people will rip it up, erm, i mean help you out....

Ok but lets go slowly. So lets do the technological tree with my first unit so maybe it can be faster. (->, means evolve to)

lvl 0: Macro chip
->Flying chip
->Robot
->Magnet
->Electrode

lvl 1: Flying chip
->Mecanic colibri
->Space seeker

lvl 1: Robot
->Robot soldier
->Robot gunner
->Thunder robot

lvl 1: Magnet
->Metal colector

lvl 1: Electrode
->Generator

lvl 2:Mecanic colibri
->Artifact eagle

lvl 2: Robot soldier
->Cyber general

lvl 2: Robot gunner
->Sniper
->Cyber Marksman

lvl 2: Thunder robot
->Cyber mage

lvl 2: Metal colector
->Metal seeker

lvl 2: Generator
->Thunder generator

DavidByron · Post by **DavidByron** » August 18th, 2005, 11:01 pm

Um what happened to the Magic the GatheringÃ‚Â©-esque-ness?
You seem to be going electronic / cyberpunk with it instead of technomancy.

Prefer terms like "golem" to "robot" and "artifact" to "microchip".

Something like the Atlantean units from Mage Knight.
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/ ... ctionid=67

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 19th, 2005, 3:36 am

Ok i see. Then what about this?

lvl 0: Small drone
->Flying drone
->Droid
->Magnetic drone
->Siege drone

lvl 1: Flying drone
->Eagle drone
->Space seeker

lvl 1: Droid
->Artifact golem
->Gun droid
->Plasma droid

lvl 1: Magnetic drone
->Metal colector

lvl 1: Siege drone
->Artifact guardian

lvl 2: Eagle drone
->Artifact war eagle
->Artifact scout

lvl 2: Artifact golem
->Cyber golem

lvl 2: Gun droid
->Sniper
->Artifact Marksman

lvl 2: Plasma droid
->Artifact mage

lvl 2: Metal colector
->Metal seeker

Post by **Darth Fool** » August 19th, 2005, 5:26 am

These seem like good units for Wesnoth 3000. Where is that dwarven space marine of old?

DavidByron · Post by **DavidByron** » August 19th, 2005, 5:56 am

If you look at an artifact deck or the Atlantean forces it's not all machines. They'll have techno-magicians and common guards to protect and maintain their machines.

What's your hook with this new race? You could have some of the key golems taking 1 hp damage per round to represent running out of power somehow. They need to be "recharged" in a village, or by a tech-mage? Maybe after they reach half HPs they can't move more than 2 MPs or something? Are they going to be slow? Some slow? Do you want some kind of collossus? Do these things even gain experience? Is experience gain limited to the living part of the army? If so how does experience gained by the mages/engineers help increase the fighting ability of the golems?

You want some little flying drones. Do they have any special vulnerabilities? Presumably they wouldn't be built solidly like the land golems.

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 19th, 2005, 9:21 am

These were only units which can move very good inland. I'll prepare the marine later.

Seiryu · Post by **Seiryu** » August 19th, 2005, 10:06 am

Maybe the marine should start with a lvl 1 unit coming from:

lvl 0: Small drone
->Aquatic droid
->Ship
->Marine droid

Tippsey · Post by **Tippsey** » August 19th, 2005, 11:15 pm

Hmm the names still imply to much techno and you may want to stick with the race just not having marine movement it is a catch in itself they can't cross water except by flying. As for names the first were less techno sounding then the second set. Droid, robot, machine all are newer terms the older terms for such tings are, construct, golem, guardian etc. Also back then machines were often reffered to by what they could do like gunner would be made archaic and bbe multishot or impaler or something like that. Hmm lastaly you do need at least one non robot unit in the faction to represent the creator and repairer of the things. Which if you wanted could be what your hero unit for campaigns could come from as well.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » August 19th, 2005, 11:50 pm

So, some rebelious dwarven tinkerers and runesmiths decided to study the Dark Arts but being inclined to metalwork they applied it to their contraptions instead of applying it to organic flesh, believing this would result into a more resistant and effective army.[/brainstorming]