Centaurs

[shevegen]

"and knights did not use swords on horseback. they used lances"

Following your logic, what happened when a knight broke his lance?

Did he ride back to get a new lance?

Anyway, just to make it clear, there never was a big knight army. There may have been
lanceriders en masse, but definitely not a big knight army. Each of their equipment was so expensive that it was much cheaper to send in 100 peons with flail / knight.

I say it how it was - knights that used lances had a sword and a scabbard belt as well.

And using a sword on horseback is still the only option you have - a knight clad in full armour back then COULD NOT dismount and fight there. I think you can figure out why.

[turin]

*Ahem*

While it looks heavy, a full plate armour set could be as light as only 45 pounds if well made of tempered steel. The weight was so well spread over the body that a fit man could run, or jump into his saddle. That it was necessary to lift a fully armed knight onto his horse with the help of pulleys is a myth originating in Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, and has no historical base. Even knights in enormously heavy jousting armour were not winched onto their horses. This type of "sporting" armour was meant only for ceremonial lancing matches and the design had to be extremely thick to prevent severe accidents, such as the one causing the death of King Henry II of France.

I think he could have demounted quite fine.

[Temuchin Khan]

I think he could have demounted quite fine. ;)

Indeed, the English knights at Crecy and Agincourt and several other battles of the Hundred Years War did dismount and fight on foot.

[Tux2B]

But the French knights were not really good in those battles... They are weak without charge.

[Temuchin Khan]

But the French knights were not really good in those battles... They are weak without charge.

But at least at Crecy, the French knights DID charge -- and were cut to pieces by the English Longbowmen.

[unsung]

Anyway, just to make it clear, there never was a big knight army. There may have been
lanceriders en masse, but definitely not a big knight army. Each of their equipment was so expensive that it was much cheaper to send in 100 peons with flail / knight.
.

I'm aware of this, as well as the fact that peoons had this nasty litl ehabit of running awya from the enemy as well as ignoring th ebattle plan (cough- realms newbies-cough) and ocasionaly just breaking ranks and charging. and knights suplied their own equipment, as did many others who didn't want to be stuck with whatever th eking might give them(which usually sucked and was unfamiliar to them)

I say it how it was - knights that used lances had a sword and a scabbard belt as well.

a modern soldier has a combat knife sheathed on him somewhere, bu t does he use it if he can just shoot someone? no.
the longer the waepon, the better, especisally when your are moving quickly.

oh and about the armor is heavy thing, I was wearing-and fighting in- chanmail just last night and it isn't that heavy even for me who's only 100lb. I can even move silently (but slowly) in it if I wish I am th earmored ninja/legionare of death! fear me!. and I was extremely tired by the poin that I had the chainmail on too. and dismounting is easy no maater how heavy it is. you just lift on leg, bring it over and slide off. second, unlike modern day people, people in the middl eages weren't wussies and were far more physically able because they weren't reliant on machines to do everything for them.


also once stopped a horse was easy to kill, and if it died, the knigh went with it, so they were likely to dismount if lanceless and surronded.

[Temuchin Khan]

oh and about the armor is heavy thing, I was wearing-and fighting in- chanmail just last night and it isn't that heavy even for me who's only 100lb. I can even move silently (but slowly) in it if I wish I am th earmored ninja/legionare of death! fear me!. and I was extremely tired by the poin that I had the chainmail on too. and dismounting is easy no maater how heavy it is. you just lift on leg, bring it over and slide off. second, unlike modern day people, people in the middl eages weren't wussies and were far more physically able because they weren't reliant on machines to do everything for them. :evil:

also once stopped a horse was easy to kill, and if it died, th eknigh wen't with it, so thye were likely ot dismount if lanceless and surronded.

Once, on a visit to Jamestown, Virginia, I ran a few laps around a house wearing a chain mail shirt. Again, it didn't slow me down a bit -- and I've never weighed more than 135 or so. The helmet weighed me down more than the body armor!

Also, read the Legends of King Arthur! Read some of the Medieval accounts of Medieval battles! There are so many incidents in Medieval history and especially literature in which fully armored knights fight on foot, that the only rational conclusion is that armor was nowhere near as heavy and clumsy as people today often claim it was.

[unsung]

people claim that because they are out of shape and clumsy, and they assume its the armor. now, if they would wear it all day and be active, that would change.
it's heavy to hold, but once on, it's well distrubuted, so the wearer wouldn't notice.
its like what happens when you sleep on a bed of nails, only smarter.


I find the actual facts of the not king arthur (who wasn't named aurthur either) to be more intresting than the legends.

[Huche_wawa]

1st: Unsung i was not talking about the real knights (yes they did use swords) i was talking about the wesnoth knights and they do use swords.

2nd: I am thinking changing this around so that they represent the evil side of the forest. Maybe team them with the disappering outlaws and a new race: MINOTOURS!!! Minos would be the equivalent of the Drake Gladiator: three attacks, perice, blade, and impact they would only move 5 spaces but do lots of punishment

Minotour Merc:

40hp
lvl1

Gore(perice): 10-3 charge
Battleaxe(blade): 8-4
Kick(impact): 14-2

what do you think?

also i think they would be part of a race of Mercenaries/barbarians

o and the centuars no longer have a mage so the races mage is outlaw mage guy from the lvl3 outlaw pack. the race is caotic and good in forest

can anyone do grapics? i can code them but i suck at drawing

[unsung]

the minotaur seesm like a good idea.
it would need to be expensive though.

[Huche_wawa]

thats the first time you said something good about this... thanks i also thought that they might have wolf rider connections but that would make the orcs crap... would it be possible to put the races togeather?

[appleide]

Minotour Merc:

40hp
lvl1

Gore(perice): 10-3 charge
Battleaxe(blade): 8-4
Kick(impact): 14-2

IMHO that is way too overpowered for a level 1, its better than even most level 2s, and only give 8 experience.

[turin]

I think having Centaurs be evil is a good idea.

I'm not sure about them allying with outlaws... it doesn't really make sense to me. Explain?

I will not comment on the Minotaur because of the forum rules, but...

[Cuyo Quiz]

I apporve of the Minotour ally unit, for it is something i had already thought of after studying Centaurs. Outlaws, however, i'm not sure. Maybe you should try to make the Minotour more like an organic version of the Wose (charge or berserk would be good specials) to avoid complaints (or just make him fight without armor and give him bad resistances).

[Huche_wawa]

from what i heard the kalagan is going and the outlaws don't get their own race so i said that cause i love the outlaws and would hate to lose them so i changed the centuars to evil cause then the outlaws don't die.

as for the minotuar 2 ideas

1: no lvl2 unit

or

2: really, really high exp requirments,