Filling the unit tree

[Kamahawk]

I don't know if this is supposed to be the same picture as the one Eponymous-Archon posted for the Advanced Longbowman (see: http://wesnoth.whitevine.net/forum/phpB ... 0&start=30) , but I like it much better. The feather on the helmet is there, but it isn't so big, likewise the bow is big, but not huge, so overall I think the unit looks more realistic. Good job.

Looks like we have a mild case of discordination.
Eponymous-Archon was comenting on the size of the longbow on my origional picures for the longbowman, so he went and made some that had larger bows. At the same time Christophe33 has been redoing my archer images durring last week.

This is easily solvable, once Christophe33 is done with the new pics, it wont be too hard to make the bow longer if its decided that its to short.

To: Christophe33 nice work on the latest archer ! I just realized however, that we should have probebly started with redoing the bowman, and then working up to the longbowman and then bowmaster. It's easy to make a lower level unit into a higher level unit than the other way around, but I shoulden't be hard to make the lower levels based of the higher one.

As for the plumage, niether yours or Eponymous-Archon's realy looked to great in my opinoin (no offence to either of you). How about this one?

Note to Modereators: Maybe the last section of this thread should be swiched over to: http://wesnoth.whitevine.net/forum/phpB ... 0&start=30) so we won't have this sub project streched out and discordinated.

[Eponymous-Archon]

I don't know if this is supposed to be the same picture as the one Eponymous-Archon posted for the Advanced Longbowman (see: http://wesnoth.whitevine.net/forum/phpB ... 0&start=30)

Nope, it isn't.

I like it fine too, but the bowmen should be a lot less armored, no? That's how I'm interpreting that shiny thing you've got them wearing anyway.

At the risk of having this go a bit out of control, I went back to Kamahawk's original, switched over to GIMP so I could use layers (Graphic Converter doesn't do them unfortunately), and shortened up the long bow. Then I made the advanced-lvl longbowman have the golden-ish bow from before, lightened up his leather outfit slightly (ah, layers...), and shrank his plume. So overall he looks a bit brighter than his lower-lvl self, but maintains the same equipment style.

Then, seeing K's posted plume, I grabbed that and added it in.

So the four images I've attached are
1. The original bowman
2. My longbowman with more reasonable bow length
3. My adv-lvl longbowman with shinier look and plume (OK, it's a feather)
4. #3 with Kamahawk's plume

I have no objection to moving the thread, but thought I'd get this in first.

[quartex]

thanks Eponymous-Archon, it makes it easier to see how the new plume would look on a bowman. And it just happens to match his leather armor quite nicely.

[Christophe33]

Well, it seems that we all arrived independently to the idea of a red plume/feather for the bowmaster, so it should stay. A longer bow is certainly right too. I like quartex plumage and it is easy to add it.
I realised afterward that I should have made the tunic covering the chainmail of a more different color, mayne a "royal blue" or a redish color like the royal guard. Chainmail is a reasonnable armor for a bowmaster, it doesn't imper move much. Viking for example were using chainmail and bows. Arms were often protected with leather (also to protect the forearm from the sting of the string hitting against the skin when you release the arrow).
All the pics are variations of the same basic design, so it should be easy to do conversion and correction, to take a piece from one to add to the other...
Eponymous-Archon solution is the easiest to implement since there is just a change in the bow. I find the bow too strait and too bright for the bowmaster. You should at least make it with some shading. I have no problem with having the bow even bigger than the one I made. After all longbows were 6 to 7 feet long (1.8 to 2.1 m) and used by people around 5'5" (1.65 m).
Mine add some details, maybe useless or confusing one?
- The arrows on the quiver are longer for the bowmaster than the bowman and the tips are of different colors, white for bowman, blue for longbowman, red for bowmaster.
- I added a scabbard for the short sword.
We apparently all agree that the bowmen will have a shorter bow and leather armor/helmet..so mostly brown.
The longbowman will have a significantly bigger bow, mabe a metallic helmet but probaly not a chainmail?
Should he have a tunic over the armor ...and of witch color?
I may or not have the time in the coming day to improve the picture and make the other frame. Anybody who wants to work on it is welcome to do it. The goal is to have the pictures to implement in version 0.7 (I hope) to give the human/loyalist a decent bowmen in the stories.

[Eponymous-Archon]

Well, it seems that we all arrived independently to the idea of a red plume/feather for the bowmaster, so it should stay.

I was thinking about this last night and it seems to me that a feather is more appropriate than a plume for a bowman. Thoughts?

Eponymous-Archon solution is the easiest to implement since there is just a change in the bow. I find the bow too strait and too bright for the bowmaster. You should at least make it with some shading. I have no problem with having the bow even bigger than the one I made. After all longbows were 6 to 7 feet long (1.8 to 2.1 m) and used by people around 5'5" (1.65 m).

Well, I'll add some shading tonight then, and maybe lengethen it a pixel or two up and down. I'll see about curving it a bit more, but longbows are pretty minimally curved and it's hard to get much more curve in there at the scale we're working at.

- The arrows on the quiver are longer for the bowmaster than the bowman and the tips are of different colors, white for bowman, blue for longbowman, red for bowmaster.

Is there enough room for this? Maybe just on the adv lvl guy for even more difference?

- I added a scabbard for the short sword.

Yes, this is good. Let me add yours to the longbowman. That'll distinguish him even further from the bowman.

We apparently all agree that the bowmen will have a shorter bow and leather armor/helmet..so mostly brown.
The longbowman will have a significantly bigger bow, mabe a metallic helmet but probaly not a chainmail?

OK, I'll de-metallicize the helmet on the bowman and make it leather like the rest of his suit.

Should he have a tunic over the armor ...and of witch color?

I'd vote no on this. He has minimal armor now and that's appropriate. You're right about the fore-arm protection, but that appears now in his overall gear.

So, more later.

(Do we all use GIMP?)

[fmunoz]

Post involving graphics are better in the Art section

[Eponymous-Archon]

Posts involving graphics are better in the Art section

True enough. So let's move over to http://wesnoth.whitevine.net/forum/phpB ... 0&start=30.

[Christophe33]

OK, I posted my new pictures at http://wesnoth.whitevine.net/forum/phpB ... 0&start=30.