Guns in Wesnoth?

[Sangel]

If you're not on good defensive terrain you should be hurt in combat. That's why it's a Turn Based Strategy game...

[Loriel]

well, since turns are several hours long, I suspect that the gunners would have time to reload.

Agreed - though during our four-hour turn a swordsman is probably entitled to more than four slashes with his sword.

Except for purely tactical wargames (with turn lengths representing 15 seconds or so), trying to relate the timescale to reality usually involves too many incompatible requirements to be solved satisfactorily.

I should probably have extended my estimates of rate of fire, to say that crossbows would be similar to late gunpowder units, and bows would be rather faster - the "miss a turn" proposal was a possible way to represent the much slower rate of fire of guns (rather than increasing the number of attacks for bows and crossbows).

I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble of coding, given the lack of enthusiasm for guns (and I'd prefer their removal myself) - it was just an option to explore, which might lead to more interesting gameplay - ie they should be used rather differently from bows/crossbows.

[Darth Fool]

I agree that if guns are part of Wesnoth, it would be nice if the in game mechanics of them were different, and your suggestion is actually not bad, although the balance issue would be difficult. Would the one turn reload time require that the unit do nothing else, ie a rest event? or would the unit be able to do a melee attack, move, etc...? All said, I think we are better off without them....

[enki]

I think that primitive gunpowder weapons fits perfectly in a fantasy world. It should probably only be used by certain rases though. E.g. I always pictured dwarves as being reluctant to magic and it would make sense that they had to resort to using gunpowder as means to defend themselves against such a thing.

IMHO, a sturdy dwarf with a big blunderbuss just seems right and would be perfect in a world like wesnoth.

[methinks]

Guns are bad, guns are evil

Well, if anything, I am pdropping guns totally. Oh, I did say that already, I almost forgot ;P

[FireDragon]

Dont use guns. REMOVE GUNNERS NOW. It takes away from the game.

[turin]

Dont use guns. REMOVE GUNNERS NOW. It takes away from the game.

i think (and have stated before) that humans/orcs/elves/undead with guns is bad. however, dwarves with guns is fine, it is actually rather common with fantasy games (even more so if they rarely hit, but are VERY powerful if they do). so lose the dragoon and duelist, but you can keep the thunderer.

[Dave]

so lose the dragoon and duelist, but you can keep the thunderer.

I think this is the best solution - except we won't remove the dragoon and duelist, just remove their guns.

Would one of our artists be able to provide modified images of the dragoon and duelist without the guns?

David

[Sangel]

What would you like to replace the pistol with? (I assume they'll still have a ranged attack) A hand-crossbow, perhaps?

[turin]

What would you like to replace the pistol with? (I assume they'll still have a ranged attack) A hand-crossbow, perhaps?

i think a throwing knife might be more appropriate. a crossbow and a light fencing sword don't seem to go together.
i might try to make a good throwing knife image, but it might be hard.

BTW, when i said 'lose the dragoon and duelist', i mean lose the weapons. i wasn't saying get rid of the units. (although i think dragoon's name should be changed).