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Aethaeryn wrote:
JW wrote:This is going to be a monsterous faction. 8)
The anti-devlings? Would be interesting to see these guys in EoM.

The biggest issue I can really see is the size especially the leap from Behemoth to its lvl 2. The minotaur king being even bigger is creeping biggerism within the faction? Is the king a lvl 4 or 5? In my opinion scale them both a bit down.

Is the king going to be reachable by promotion, even if it's a lvl 4 and thus unlikely? Unless you're planning for a campaign, you should want to do that, you can still get lvl 4s in RPGs and most factions have one unit line that gets to lvl 4.

You may want to compare your unit sizes, perhaps to the trolls (especially at lvl 2 and 3). Remember, trolls are big.

You probably want a water unit or a flier (the vast majority of factions have one) and a ranged or magic unit because the (assumed) lack of ranged will be a major weakness.

Do you have an idea of how you want this faction played yet?

Can't wait to play this, it looks fun. :D
Well like i said he is suposed to be a very large creature (if he were real he would probably reach around 13 foot in height). I wanted him to be larger than a troll, well because in real life he would be. But yes there is creeping biggism in the faction, but that is intended. As a minotaur levels up he gets bigger and stonger, much like evolution in humans. The king is a level 4 from the gore, so therefore in many 70% maps he wont be seen very often, and rather a treat when he is :)

The rest of the units will be relatively small, apart from the centaurs but thats because thye're half horse.

Aethaeryn wrote:You probably want a water unit or a flier (the vast majority of factions have one) and a ranged or magic unit because the (assumed) lack of ranged will be a major weakness.
Magic has been sorted, though its a very weak form of magic, the ranged is going tobe a gnoll archer. Not very powerful but the for about 12 points no one would expect them to be. Erm we're still having trouble with the water unit, though we have a few ideas for the flyer.
Blueblaze wrote: Blueblaze's era has dibs on this :annoyed:
Is it possible for factions to appear in multiple eras?, im sure we could all come to some arrangment.
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Quietus wrote:
Blueblaze wrote: Blueblaze's era has dibs on this :annoyed:
Is it possible for factions to appear in multiple eras?, im sure we could all come to some arrangment.
It's quite(us) possible. :wink:
(I know, diff spelling)

I don't plan to use these guys for the EoM though...it's already quite crowded and hard for me to get a handle for balancing wise. I definitely want this thing to go through though so I'll help code, propaganda if necessary. 8)

There is a demon faction hanging out there too and a half-done artifact faction I always wanted to see finished as well. Hell, there's like a bazillion factions we could put together to make an era, the question is which ones?
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Wow the demon faction doesnt have an era yet? But those sprites are soo good :shock: . I think Demons and Minotaurs would go well together, reminds me of the good ol days of Warlords Battlecry and Heros of Might and Magic.

@blueblaze, what factions are currently in your era?
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Quietus wrote:Wow the demon faction doesnt have an era yet? But those sprites are soo good :shock: . I think Demons and Minotaurs would go well together, reminds me of the good ol days of Warlords Battlecry and Heros of Might and Magic.
Indeed. I had considered them for the EoM, but there were already so many "dark" factions in it. I had Undead in there before, there are Vampires, Aberrations were/are planned, then the Devlings...

it really is a crowded era right now.
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You don't need both a water and a flier, the idea is to give one unit that is good in water. It might be overpowering to have both a water and a flying unit.
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Aethaeryn wrote:You don't need both a water and a flier, the idea is to give one unit that is good in water. It might be overpowering to have both a water and a flying unit.
They meant water OR a flying unit.
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JW wrote:
Quietus wrote:Wow the demon faction doesnt have an era yet? But those sprites are soo good :shock: . I think Demons and Minotaurs would go well together, reminds me of the good ol days of Warlords Battlecry and Heros of Might and Magic.
Indeed. I had considered them for the EoM, but there were already so many "dark" factions in it. I had Undead in there before, there are Vampires, Aberrations were/are planned, then the Devlings...

it really is a crowded era right now.
Make them neutral brutes ? :)
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krotop wrote:
JW wrote: Indeed. I had considered them for the EoM, but there were already so many "dark" factions in it. I had Undead in there before, there are Vampires, Aberrations were/are planned, then the Devlings...

it really is a crowded era right now.
Make them neutral brutes ? :)
Lol there are other reasons why the Minotaurs wont be welcome in the EOM. Plus the majority of people thought they would fit because they are a mythical unit. Im happy so long as they get completed and into an era.

Oh and i kind of gave in to temptation and started spriting again :cry: its too addcitive lol.

So anyways ive started the Centaur, and it is so far the hardest sprite yet. Im not used to drawing horse let alone sprite them..with and minotaur as a head and torso!!. Will probably have him done at about noon tommorow (England time). So i will be ready for alot of crit, as atm the isnt looking the greatest lol.
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You can use as the horse base one of the mainline riders, it should cover the basics and the direction so you need to change less of it.

At least its better than trying from scratch to draw a horse. Good luck.
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OK this one definately needs work done to it. I just thought ill show you the first draft. its good enough as a place holder atm. But it needs a lot done.

This is the Centaur
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Post by shevegen »

minotaur look nice, i hope they can make it into the game

the centaur-minotaur looks like a pig head on horse body ;)
i think his shield should be a bit larger, cuz the creature is also larger
than human
spear could maybe be a tad longer
legs look a bit too fat for my taste

(btw hope you dont mind if i am frank about it, and after
all thats just my 2 cc)
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doesnt look like he has any neck. and his left arm, just doesnt look long enough IMO. maybe its the angle
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shevegen wrote:minotaur look nice, i hope they can make it into the game

the centaur-minotaur looks like a pig head on horse body ;)
i think his shield should be a bit larger, cuz the creature is also larger
than human
spear could maybe be a tad longer
legs look a bit too fat for my taste

(btw hope you dont mind if i am frank about it, and after
all thats just my 2 cc)
Nah o course not. Like i said, i appretiated crit, as it allows me to improve the sprite which in the end is what i want to do.

As i said earlier it is only a draft, and i am working on the revised version as we..type :? lol

All things said above are being edited for the next version :D

And i think they should be playable in the next month or so, depending on how quick the CFG's and images get done. If Blueblazes era is not finnished by then, ill make a default era with them in as a starter for people to play with.

EDIT: oh as the centaur also uses a bow, the shield is more of a buckler that can be easily equiped and unequiped allowing a change for the bow. Ideally it needs to be relatively small
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Ok did some editing to the sprite. Im now happy for it to be commited to the faction tree. Im sure more could be done to it, but i need to work on some new ones. best to get the entire faction done first, then come back to previous issues.

Hope people like the newer version.

i tried to address all the issues raised, except the ones about weopon enlargments. If you lok at the spear it is actually pretty long. The bottom appears at the top of the shadow by his front left leg.
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Post by Ryorin »

I like the artwork, now to see if the final product is as good.
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