Centaurs

Post by **turin** » September 13th, 2005, 9:04 pm

Huche_wawa wrote:just to end the fight, there already is a flaming sword item in the game so their

This in no way resolves the issue. The flaming sword is meant to be magical, and it is special precisely because it is magical. But, having a unit with a flaming sword would both make the current flaming sword artifact less special, and be an abuse of the magic system.

It is like the difference between having the palantiri* be extremely rare artifacts, which are special because they are some of the last relics of great elven magic in Middle Earth, and having everyone communicate with each other with palantiri the same way we communicate with each other with computers or telephones. The first one adds to the fantasy world, the second greatly detracts.

Huche_wawa wrote:for the shaman line:

shaman-->soothsayer-->Which Doctor
-->Star Gazer

star gazer has a move which improves defence

Why would star gazers improve defence?

*: I might have pluralized that wrong, I don't remember.

Elvish_Pillager · September 14th, 2005, 9:59 am

"palantiri" is correct. And please remember, it is not a flaming sword, it is THE Flaming Sword.

Shirdaan · Post by **Shirdaan** » September 14th, 2005, 5:25 pm

I agree. There should be no unit that comes WITH a flaming sword. Espesialy not a centaur. It was alreary posted here that it was not logical for them to use swords because of their hight.

Huche_wawa · Post by **Huche_wawa** » September 14th, 2005, 11:56 pm

fine then,

as for the stargazer, he would predict wouldn't he?

Huche_wawa · Post by **Huche_wawa** » September 14th, 2005, 11:57 pm

the swords would be very large then wouldn't they

unsung · Post by **unsung** » September 16th, 2005, 1:04 am

he stil cant dodge or block.

don't try tp argue with that. you cant.

and about the flamins sword: oil is liquid. liquid drips. down. you hold sowrds by the hilt at the bottom. his hands would catch on fire.

youd be better off with polearms.

I have not yet begun to argue

Disto · Post by **Disto** » September 17th, 2005, 9:23 am

Why can't he block. All you need is humans arms for that and i believe he has those.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » September 17th, 2005, 4:47 pm

They would use those long normand shields too and some kind of... how was this thing called... pole with long blade on the end used by pawns... well one of those, they are strong and should be able to swing one of those with strenght, and be able to parry.[/furthers his centaur mythos]

Huche_wawa · Post by **Huche_wawa** » September 22nd, 2005, 12:22 am

nagatia i think u mean and okay, no flame blades but how about haveing sword blades on their forelegs to attack people u claim to be unhitable

Gargoyle pillager · September 22nd, 2005, 12:25 am

Huche_wawa wrote:nagatia i think u mean and okay, no flame blades but how about haveing sword blades on their forelegs to attack people u claim to be unhitable

ur ideas rock and stuff and advvwe cascc adsa with the legs

PS: Try again and maybe somebody could undertand a bit more.

Huche_wawa · Post by **Huche_wawa** » September 22nd, 2005, 10:59 pm

positive feedback... this is so unusual i think i might die

since i hear no comments about the fury or its weapon i'll rexplain. its a double ended pickaxe with very long handle. the Avengers has a blade extending out of the end so it has perice as well as slash.

with Crossbow units i noticed that all only shoot once except the orcs one so the Centuars has more strapped on its horse parts so it can fire lots each turn.

Since you all object so much i defy you! they can bend their legs, stupid allowing them to duck and also hit crouching units and drop the bull about being to tall because the knight uses a sword

unsung · Post by **unsung** » September 22nd, 2005, 11:34 pm

that last idea: good, the sudden defiance: bad.

now I must eat you.

an dknights did not use swords on horseback. thye used lances.. second, haalf a foot of ducking matters little when you are 7 or more feet tall. unless of course the swordsmna took a swing at something two feet higher than his own head.

wandering_rogue · September 23rd, 2005, 3:21 am

This is my first post, and I just started to play the game ... so first off I wanted to say thanks to all the developers, scenario writers, artists, testers, etc. Great game, very addictive and I like the KISS mentality.

Now, here's my two cents on centaurs:

first cent: the mythology of them is generally about their wisdom as great teachers, healers and their skill with the bow. So this lends itself to a bow attack, and/or mage attack. Also it would make sense to have a second level as a healer.
See also:
http://www.psych.yorku.ca/orgs/cheiron/myth.htm

second cent: the warhorse in the middle ages was trained to kick and generally throw its weight around. If an trained horse could do this, imagine what a smart centaur could do. So kick also makes sense as a basic (lvl1) melee attack.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhorse

So maybe to keep it simple and based on reality (or rather mythology), maybe just two tracks:

Centaur fighter (lvl1)
8 - 2 (melee) kick
5 - 3 (ranged) bow

---> Centaur bowman (lvl2)
---> ?
----> Centaur warrior (lvl2)
----> Centaur warmaster (leader)

Centaur magi (lvl1)
---> Centaur soothsayer (heals)

---> Centaur loremaster (magic attacks)

Just ideas. It could probably be condensed into one track: fighter --> soothsayer or warrior --- > etc.

But I don't like the idea of using weapons overmuch. It seems like they'd use their brains, speed, kicks, and bows. Also, using kicks makes them more unique.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » September 23rd, 2005, 2:41 pm

My two cents: If you want Centaurs, listen to wandering roque. He's making some excellent points there.

I would only add this: the Centaurs of Greek myth were also known to have a wild side: in one myth, a wedding that centuars were invited to devolved into a brawl when some of them tried to rape the bride! In another, a centuar tried to kidnap Deianira, wife of Heracles, and then, when Heracles brought him down with a poisoned arrow, tricked Deianira into poisoning Heracles in turn -- with the lie that Heracles cloak with the Centaur's blood would make Heracles invincible instead of poisoning him to death.

So: wild side and poisonous blood. Maybe they should have at least one chaotic unit:

Centuar Rebel -> Centaur Brawler -> Centaur Abducter

wandering_rogue · September 23rd, 2005, 7:13 pm

Temuchin Khan
My two cents: If you want Centaurs, listen to wandering roque. He's making some excellent points there.

Thanks!

I like the idea of a chaotic unit of Centaurs.

What about the basic units -- Lawful or Neutral?

I'm thinking Neutral might be more appropriate, since Elves are also Neutral. I don't think Centaurs should be at a disadvantage at night.