Idea for Far East Faction

[Seiryu]

Fine creepy chariot.

same here.

[turin]

Just make sure you didn't use any copyrighted stuff. That would be bad, since it would mean it is illegal to upload it to the campaign server.

And, if you took anything directly from the art Sieryu posted, you'll have to redo the art, since I really doubt he has the copyright to those images.

[appleide]

umm. all the art was from Seiryu.... so I should delete it all?

the chariot was made of two of the nemedian horseman's horse and a picture of chariot that I changed till they were unidentifiable... guess that's copyrighted too. huh..?

[turin]

umm. all the art was from Seiryu.... so I should delete it all?

Well, you don't have to, but I'm fairly certain the art is not copyrighted by Seiryu, which means it is not under the GPL, so it is 'illegal' to upload it to the campaign server, and probably not a good idea to use it. But I'm not 100% sure.

the chariot was made of two of the nemedian horseman's horse and a picture of chariot that I changed till they were unidentifiable... guess that's copyrighted too. huh..?

Everything from the campaign server (i.e. the Nemidian Horseman) you can use as long as you release hte product under the GPL. I don't know where you got the picture of the chariot, though, and it is that which determines whether it is copyrighted or not.

[appleide]

search for 'cold one chariot' in google images.... the first image that comes up: the half with the wheel was copied by me, then edited and stuck next to two horses.

EDIT: so is it copyrighted? I mean, you cant even tell. I deleted a spear, and 'skewed' it and flipped it, and all sorts of other things. (But thats probably why it sucks)

[appleide]

I think you have a good idea. I was weary to make stats for a crossbowman, or a bowman at all, beause even though it could fit, the faction balance would come into play, and other factions have them. However, it is true that the Chinese were inventive, and way ahead of their time with certain weapons and tactics. There could be a unit with chinese fireworks, or even a wooden fire breathing beast, made by armies as early as the romance era in china. I dunno though, what does everyone think?

I'd be all for something like that. I had another idea, but I suspect the developers would nix it since they don't want any artillery.

Maybe if we make a unit to reflect Chinese inventiveness it should be:

fire lance -> flame lance -> flamethrower

Low health and resistances, devastating fire attack

They had rockets as early as 600 AD

(which is abasically a wooden stick inside a gunpowder cylinder wich fires by lighting the fuse, and the 'arrow' packs a lot of punch and can set fires) or the arrows shot by archers or crossbowman, propelled further by gunpowder, or the tube where a giant wooden stick is fired by gunpowder rather like a cannon. but this last one was invented later.

A unit would Probably just be an archer with a fire ranged attack 6-3 and a 6-2 melee.

Though I did recall them having flamethrowers... think it was on ships only, and stopped using them after a battle when the fire was blown back on the ships by wind.

Also there was a rocket rack that can fire 1000 rockets every minute with range up to 100 or 200 yards (could be 500, memory fading).

And if you want a unit for THAT, then, I dunno, never had siege engines in wesnoth before.


And the chinese, koreans and japanese were one of the first to fight a war with muskets. (in 1590 though, so its irrelevant) The Japanese invaded Korea with mainly with muskets, and Koreans only had cavalry and spearman and only a single regiment of musketeers , and the assitance by the chinese in the beginning wasnt great either, so they lost the land battle. But in the end the koreans won because their navy was superior (IRONCLADS!! with twelve broadside cannons!!) with a superior admiral. The navy destroyed the japanese's supply lines and forced a retreat.

Although none of that is relevant. I just like telling stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Year_War

Anyways, here's a link, in case what I said was incoherent.

[Temuchin Khan]

I'm trying to cut back on my involvement in the forums, now that I'm (a) finishing my theology degree and (b) teaching philosophy. Nonetheless, right now, I still have time for this:

They had rockets as early as 600 AD (which is abasically a wooden stick inside a gunpowder cylinder wich fires by lighting the fuse, and the 'arrow' packs a lot of punch and can set fires) or the arrows shot by archers or crossbowman, propelled further by gunpowder, or the tube where a giant wooden stick is fired by gunpowder rather like a cannon. but this last one was invented later.

A unit would Probably just be an archer with a fire ranged attack 6-3 and a 6-2 melee.

Though I did recall them having flamethrowers... think it was on ships only, and stopped using them after a battle when the fire was blown back on the ships by wind.

Also there was a rocket rack that can fire 1000 rockets every minute with range up to 100 or 200 yards (could be 500, memory fading).

Yes, and they also had the "fire lance," which was a small flamethrower tied to a spear which would let out a jet of flame for about five minutes, think.

Anyway, you can read all about it in *Ancient Inventions* by Peter James and Nick Thorpe.

And the chinese, koreans and japanese were one of the first to fight a war with muskets. (in 1590 though, so its irrelevant) The Japanese invaded Korea with mainly with muskets, and Koreans only had cavalry and spearman and only a single regiment of musketeers , and the assitance by the chinese in the beginning wasnt great either, so they lost the land battle. But in the end the koreans won because their navy was superior (IRONCLADS!! with twelve broadside cannons!!) with a superior admiral. The navy destroyed the japanese's supply lines and forced a retreat.

Yeah, I wrote a paper about this war for a History of the Far East class five or six years ago. The Japanese call it "Dragon Head and Snake Tail War", since Hideyoshi started it with grand ambitions about conquering all of Asia, but in the end couldn't even conquer Korea.

However, the Korean navy wasn't alone. China buttressed the faltering Korean army.

And the army needed Chinese support! In one incident, the Japanese and Korean armies were dug in on opposite sides of a river, and a young, hotheaded Korean officer wanted to cross over and attack. The general, however, an older, more experienced officer, insisted that this was a bad idea, and that they would get slaughtered. Then the young guy called the old guy a coward, and the old guy responded (basically), "I'm no coward! And I'm right! And to prove it, we'll cross the river and fight and get slaughtered, you'll see!"

With officers like that, who needs enemies?

[Tippsey]

True they had gunpowder and many many more units which could be used but adding any units would unbalance the already planned faction. And yes art is still being worked on if you wish to help the faction contact the artist on page 9. Although you may not know it hours were spent on just balancing this faction so that one day it might be accepted into mainstream wesnoth. So tryand leave the faction alone till testing occured as things can be added then as needed.

[appleide]

Got an idea for a campaign....

Because far east faction was based on Chinese and Japanese, maybe make a campaign like a warlord conquers whole of 'Far East' and takes control of those units... Then we could have the fire lance units!!

[Cuyo Quiz]

I like the Fire Lance idea. Would be a very interesting cheap or branching infantry/militia (lvl0) given that everything is Monks and Samurais now.

We could have a naginata/spear guy who branches as a better one or as a Fire Lance. It also seems they don't have horseback warriors/scouts so going this way would fit.

Since the Imperial Era is actually inside Wesnoth and not a lose representation of actual history, what is exactly the background of this society that sends their soldiers-to-be to a monastery and make them fight without weapons. I remember monks learn some weapons too, so it could be an option at higher levels (just add the attack no need for ultra-branching).

Phew that was long, thank you for bearing with me and my brainstorming.

[Tippsey]

Check the noble samurai he is both on a horse and has a naginata.

[Kafka]

i like the fire lance type idea, and the name will be explanitory. I'll take into consideration the unit balance and what people have written about it, if people want, i could make it, though it wasn't my idea, i'm okay with somebody else making it, as long as the make it balanced both as a unit and with the faction (most importantly the faction). I think it should have a weak short ranged attack with just the fire attack as the range, because they were usually normal soidiers who would fire the rockets and then go into battle, but a branch for it to have two ranged attacks could work, anyway, it's not my concept, so if people want me to do it, just ask, if somebody else wants to, props.

[Kafka]

I like the Fire Lance idea. Would be a very interesting cheap or branching infantry/militia (lvl0) given that everything is Monks and Samurais now.

We could have a naginata/spear guy who branches as a better one or as a Fire Lance. It also seems they don't have horseback warriors/scouts so going this way would fit.

Since the Imperial Era is actually inside Wesnoth and not a lose representation of actual history, what is exactly the background of this society that sends their soldiers-to-be to a monastery and make them fight without weapons. I remember monks learn some weapons too, so it could be an option at higher levels (just add the attack no need for ultra-branching).

Phew that was long, thank you for bearing with me and my brainstorming.

I love monks with weapons, but i opted to not make them so i could make samurai, which are more well known and better liked. With all the arguments that went down, i can imaging what the (monks using weapons?) and (a faction of monks?) arguments being bi%^&y. However, if the faction doesn't work out, i could seperate the warriors and the monks into seperate fations, that would probably be a good idea....

Wait, i hope nobody reads this, then my faction will get seperated..... and it will be more balanced and cooler.... but that's more work....

WHY AM I STILL TYPING THIS?! AHHHHH!!!!!!

no, seriously, that's a cool idea, but i just want to get this done. If this doesn't get through, or if it does and i feel like punishing myself anyway, i'll make the factions seperate, that way we can see some really unique units and the balance will work out better, but as is, it's better we leave them as the same faction and limit the units...

[Seiryu]

Do you need some help or peoples are forgetting about this idea? I meant it would be stupid to abandon this project. It was so nice... I still meant another thing: Is there something we can do?

[appleide]

What happened to Smrgle?