Extended Era revived - version 36

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » September 30th, 2006, 2:48 pm

Noyga wrote:Bad .PNG handling is a Windows-specific bug.

In that case, I guess the cause of the problem remains a mystery.

Post by **wayfarer** » October 4th, 2006, 5:00 pm

As promised an eagle rider.

Before we start one word of caution. If someone starts how blurred it is, doesn't fit the style, etc.. I'll get slightly annoyed and perhaps a little bit more.

Anything else is OK anatomy and so on.

Corwin · Post by **Corwin** » October 4th, 2006, 7:25 pm

I personally really like it wayfarer. Well done.

Post by **Noyga** » October 4th, 2006, 9:32 pm

The usual awesomeness

Btw he seems to have a problem of wings, the left one seems way shorter.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » October 4th, 2006, 11:32 pm

It looks very dinamic, and well rendered. At the scale and style proportions bend a little so the turban head and body are also okay in the composotition.

Or as i would say...

Spiffy.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » October 5th, 2006, 12:59 am

wayfarer wrote:As promised an eagle rider.

Before we start one word of caution. If someone starts how blurred it is, doesn't fit the style, etc.. I'll get slightly annoyed and perhaps a little bit more.

Anything else is OK anatomy and so on.

Nice!

I'm with Noyga on that (eagle's right, our left) wing, though.

Post by **Noyga** » October 5th, 2006, 2:40 pm

So how will this Argawaith eagle rider look like statwise ?
I would 2 see levels (only one is boring IMHO, 3 can be done, but isn't necessary) :
Eagle rider -> Eagle master
I would see stats similar to the gryphon rider, but perhaps slower (say 7 moves) so the horse rider scout would be faster than this one;
About the weapons it has there could be :
- claws (blade) or slam (impact) ... I would vote for slam.
- beak (pierce, perhaps with charge ?, or blade (eagle beaks aren't that pointy))
- bow (from the rider) : not really necessary, could be an idea for the lvl 2
What do you think ?

For the background of the unit i would suggest something like :
"Some young Aragwaithi take young and eagles as a pet. Those aren't the common eagles, but a race of noble, giant bird of prey. When they are grown enough, they usually accept to serve as a mount for their best friend, and their young mates learn the art of riding those giant birds."

Post by **Yogibear** » October 5th, 2006, 2:52 pm

Temuchin Khan wrote:
Noyga wrote:Bad .PNG handling is a Windows-specific bug.
In that case, I guess the cause of the problem remains a mystery.

The reason for it is an outdated version of SDL_image. However it turned out to be anything but trivial to integrate an up-to-date library into wesnoth. Which is why things are still like they used to be

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Post by **wayfarer** » October 5th, 2006, 2:59 pm

Noyga wrote:So how will this Argawaith eagle rider look like statwise ?
I would 2 see levels (only one is boring IMHO, 3 can be done, but isn't necessary) :
Eagle rider -> Eagle master
I would see stats similar to the gryphon rider, but perhaps slower (say 7 moves) so the horse rider scout would be faster than this one;
About the weapons it has there could be :
- claws (blade) or slam (impact) ... I would vote for slam.
- beak (pierce, perhaps with charge ?, or blade (eagle beaks aren't that pointy))
- bow (from the rider) : not really necessary, could be an idea for the lvl 2
What do you think ?

For the background of the unit i would suggest something like :
"Some young Aragwaithi take young and eagles as a pet. Those aren't the common eagles, but a race of noble, giant bird of prey. When they are grown enough, they usually accept to serve as a mount for their best friend, and their young mates learn the art of riding those giant birds."

Sounds good, impact would help them a little against undead matchups.

One problem though I wanted to add a bow but the hex limitations and animations, I already get nightmares if I think how to make him look into 4 different directions. Perhaps give the rider a sword to add a blade, so he won't get charge but he will still be versatile against other enemies.

I'll fix the wings and make another one.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » October 5th, 2006, 3:33 pm

Noyga wrote:About the weapons it has there could be :
- claws (blade) or slam (impact) ... I would vote for slam.
- beak (pierce, perhaps with charge ?, or blade (eagle beaks aren't that pointy))
- bow (from the rider) : not really necessary, could be an idea for the lvl 2

How about this:

claws melee blade

rain of stones ranged impact

The idea would be that the eagle has been trained to grasp stones in its claws and drop them on the heads of his enemies.

Also, it seems to me that the rider's role should be restricted to keeping his seat and controlling the bird, and the bird should be the only one doing any actual fighting.

Post by **wayfarer** » October 5th, 2006, 7:11 pm

So one new 1 level and the second, basicly a bigger meaner eagle, different posses aren't easy.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » October 5th, 2006, 9:52 pm

7-3 claws
melee--blade
9-2 bowl over
slow
melee--impact

Post by **Noyga** » October 6th, 2006, 8:22 am

Temuchin Khan wrote:How about this:

claws melee blade

It makes sense, btw i still voted for slam because it's what the image suggested to me.

rain of stones ranged impact

The idea would be that the eagle has been trained to grasp stones in its claws and drop them on the heads of his enemies.

It's another good idea, btw i wouldn't call this "rain of stones" since the eagle would be only be able to carry one, perhaps two stones at once. Rather something like "boulder drop". But perhaps a boulder + a rider is too much weight for the eagle ?

Also, it seems to me that the rider's role should be restricted to keeping his seat and controlling the bird, and the bird should be the only one doing any actual fighting.

A more skilled rider should probably be able to use a weapon while riding the bird. Horse riders can do this, why not eagle riders ?

khamul · Post by **khamul** » October 6th, 2006, 9:31 am

I think the eagle looks great, but it took me a little effort to see the head properly: it might be a little clearer if you brought the head just 1 or 2 pixels forward - so that the yellow of the beak isn't against the background of the wing - and brought the legs a little closer to the body.

Just a suggestion.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » October 6th, 2006, 11:47 am

Noyga wrote:
Temuchin Khan wrote:How about this:

claws melee blade
It makes sense, btw i still voted for slam because it's what the image suggested to me.

Just so you know, I voted against slam because a bird's legs tend to be fairly thin and I suspect that if it used them to slam into something they might be injured. Maybe I'm wrong, but that was the logic.

Noyga wrote:
Temuchin Khan wrote:rain of stones ranged impact

The idea would be that the eagle has been trained to grasp stones in its claws and drop them on the heads of his enemies.
It's another good idea, btw i wouldn't call this "rain of stones" since the eagle would be only be able to carry one, perhaps two stones at once. Rather something like "boulder drop". But perhaps a boulder + a rider is too much weight for the eagle?

Perhaps you're right about that.

Noyga wrote:
Temuchin Khan wrote:Also, it seems to me that the rider's role should be restricted to keeping his seat and controlling the bird, and the bird should be the only one doing any actual fighting.
A more skilled rider should probably be able to use a weapon while riding the bird. Horse riders can do this, why not eagle riders ?

Again, you may be right about this. How about if the bird attacks with its claws and the man in equipped with a bow and/or a sling? The former would fit the faction, and the latter might be the most logical way for this unit to have an impact attack.