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Maybe the staff and mace head for the level 3 figure don't have to be so big. Instead of the mace getting bigger and bigger, what if the lvl 3 version was held more like in the original version, but with a smaller head that was gold in color, to match the edging of the helmet and shield?
I understand if you're attched to the idea of the humongo staff/mace, though.
I understand if you're attched to the idea of the humongo staff/mace, though.
I could easily imagine Nagas having some sort of 'double weapon'
Meaning a weapon that has too tips, maybe double bladed sword (think Darth Maul from Star Wars to get the idea) or mace. Of course you could get a bit more imagitinave (spelling?
) and have the tips have different head, like Mace - Blade...
Some king of Scythe might work too
The examples are two-handed of course.
Just an idea
Meaning a weapon that has too tips, maybe double bladed sword (think Darth Maul from Star Wars to get the idea) or mace. Of course you could get a bit more imagitinave (spelling?
) and have the tips have different head, like Mace - Blade...Some king of Scythe might work too
The examples are two-handed of course.
Just an idea
So says S
Problem being that it's already more or less golden in color - even if there was an absolute distinction between bronze and gold, people would have a hard time telling them apart.Jason Lutes wrote:Maybe the staff and mace head for the level 3 figure don't have to be so big. Instead of the mace getting bigger and bigger, what if the lvl 3 version was held more like in the original version, but with a smaller head that was gold in color, to match the edging of the helmet and shield?
I understand if you're attched to the idea of the humongo staff/mace, though.[/quote]
Actually, I'm not, really - I was just copying the same thing that neo did for his gladiator line - the humongo head on the weapon of the human "Heavy Infantry"
Truth be told, I think I'm going to go for a morning star, either on the level-2 or 3 unit. The unit which does not get the morning star will get the staff.
I'm not opposed to a naga unit having a special staff-like weapon, but I think I would make that as an additional branch off some line, rather than as the core unit.
'ello - i have to go with the dutch dude on this one - i can't imagine being able to swing that mace with an accuracy one handed even standing on land.
I guess if we are assuming that these naga are always standing on the bottom of the shallow water i gues they are least have a pivot against which to swing
I guess if we are assuming that these naga are always standing on the bottom of the shallow water i gues they are least have a pivot against which to swing
The mace also struck me as odd. Jetryl, since you're basing your naga on a snake-like origin I don't think this weapon makes a lot of sense for them. Any race would probably wield weapons that were effective against themselves in the first place (mainly because we squabble with our closest fellow-beings first ). Since snakes don't have a lot of joints or bones but mainly muscle, bashing weapons wouldn't be highly effective. Second, to effectively wield a maul-like weapon you need leverage. For a being without legs between which to shift the weight, it looks really impossible to do so.
I don't really want to argue the realism point but the sprite has this immediate "nah, c'mon!" effect on me because of this matter.
One unrelated suggestion: give higher-levelled naga stripes on their hide or tattoos. I think it would look better than gold and gear.
EDIT: actually, I could envision the naga go without armor and shields throughout all levels, relying on their increasing reflexes and an array of more complicated weapons to use. I don't think copying the hoplite line into the nagas would work at all, as an extreme example (not saying you're doing this, but they do look comparable!).
). Since snakes don't have a lot of joints or bones but mainly muscle, bashing weapons wouldn't be highly effective. Second, to effectively wield a maul-like weapon you need leverage. For a being without legs between which to shift the weight, it looks really impossible to do so.I don't really want to argue the realism point but the sprite has this immediate "nah, c'mon!" effect on me because of this matter.
One unrelated suggestion: give higher-levelled naga stripes on their hide or tattoos. I think it would look better than gold and gear.
EDIT: actually, I could envision the naga go without armor and shields throughout all levels, relying on their increasing reflexes and an array of more complicated weapons to use. I don't think copying the hoplite line into the nagas would work at all, as an extreme example (not saying you're doing this, but they do look comparable!).
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The mace staff, strikes me as odd, looks like a goodendag, a two-handed weapon that can be used as a spear and also flailed for good measure (it was mostly an anti-knight weapon).
If it has to use that, i think it shouldn't have a shield, if it must have a shield, a spear would be better.
On the topic of nagas not using maces, well...this is a naga meant to fight on land, and against land creatures it seems a logical choice ( nagas aren't strictly water creatures, after all).
If it has to use that, i think it shouldn't have a shield, if it must have a shield, a spear would be better.
On the topic of nagas not using maces, well...this is a naga meant to fight on land, and against land creatures it seems a logical choice ( nagas aren't strictly water creatures, after all).
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Re: Nagas with staves/maces
A Naga should have a LOT more leverage than a human. All a human has in contact with the ground s/he swings, to anchor the stroke, is the soles of their feet. A Naga has half its body in contact with the ground - and that's half of a body designed (if they work like real-world snakes) to throw the head and front-half forward at lightning speed. I believe a python or annaconda can kill just as easily with the impact of a strike as with the constriction that follows, although my main source for this is Rudyard Kipling, and Kaa, so...
I can't see any reason why a naga couldn't use a mace or staff - and I don't see why one would be less effective against Nagas than a sword or axe: a snake probably relies on its skeleton at least as much as we do (ever have a broken rib? Imagine crawling on it). Holding onto something the size and weight of that mace with one hand when it connects with that momentum, however, is going to be a challenge.
How about a circular shield with a arc cut from the bottom, so the shield arm can grasp the staff, with the end of the staff projecting beneath the shield?
That said, if Jetryl likes the current look, I don't see that I'm in a position to disagree.
Re: Naga ranged attack.
For me, a Naga with poison arrows seems absolutely right, but that's probably only because I watched too much Harryhausen as a kid.
A Naga should have a LOT more leverage than a human. All a human has in contact with the ground s/he swings, to anchor the stroke, is the soles of their feet. A Naga has half its body in contact with the ground - and that's half of a body designed (if they work like real-world snakes) to throw the head and front-half forward at lightning speed. I believe a python or annaconda can kill just as easily with the impact of a strike as with the constriction that follows, although my main source for this is Rudyard Kipling, and Kaa, so...
I can't see any reason why a naga couldn't use a mace or staff - and I don't see why one would be less effective against Nagas than a sword or axe: a snake probably relies on its skeleton at least as much as we do (ever have a broken rib? Imagine crawling on it). Holding onto something the size and weight of that mace with one hand when it connects with that momentum, however, is going to be a challenge.
How about a circular shield with a arc cut from the bottom, so the shield arm can grasp the staff, with the end of the staff projecting beneath the shield?
That said, if Jetryl likes the current look, I don't see that I'm in a position to disagree.
Re: Naga ranged attack.
For me, a Naga with poison arrows seems absolutely right, but that's probably only because I watched too much Harryhausen as a kid.
which follows much of my thought process...khamul wrote:Re: Nagas with staves/maces
A Naga should have a LOT more leverage than a human. All a human has in contact with the ground s/he swings, to anchor the stroke, is the soles of their feet. A Naga has half its body in contact with the ground - and that's half of a body designed (if they work like real-world snakes) to throw the head and front-half forward at lightning speed. I believe a python or annaconda can kill just as easily with the impact of a strike as with the constriction that follows, although my main source for this is Rudyard Kipling, and Kaa, so...
I can't see any reason why a naga couldn't use a mace or staff - and I don't see why one would be less effective against Nagas than a sword or axe: a snake probably relies on its skeleton at least as much as we do (ever have a broken rib? Imagine crawling on it). Holding onto something the size and weight of that mace with one hand when it connects with that momentum, however, is going to be a challenge.
I was thinking about doing this - the previous posters are right in that it should use both hands on the weapon.khamul wrote:How about a circular shield with a arc cut from the bottom, so the shield arm can grasp the staff, with the end of the staff projecting beneath the shield?
That said, if Jetryl likes the current look, I don't see that I'm in a position to disagree.