Abilities and choices

[Soliton]

I sense the presence of duplicate code...

Level 0 invisible units cause move loss when ambushing.

As does ambushing a skirmisher.

[irrevenant]

You can't trigger an ambush without stepping on the ambusher's ZoC, so isn't it pretty intuitive to associate how ambush works with ZoC?

No, because an L0 unit has no ZoC, but can discover a hidden unit. The common denominator here is "adjacent hex", not "ZoC".

[Thrawn]

Btw, no revealing ambushed units next to you might cause problems, since there cannot be 2 units at the same hex.

What do units next to each other have to do with there being two units in the same hex?

if not revelaed, you may move a unit onto the hex with an ambusher, but that would just then trigger the ambush, so--that being said, I thinkthat is how a lvl0 ambusher should work...

[Ken_Oh]

Making ambush work better has been discussed tons before. I would say that it has been discussed to death but no idea satisfactory to the devs has come out of it all. I've always thought, much like this guy's suggestion, that hidden units should be undetectable, even to the point that enemy units can move and rest on top of them. Then, some other gameplay considerations would have to be made, but you would have a much more useful ability.

[turin]

Actually, that sounds like it would be a much less useful ability - the unit would be basically unable to fight on forest, which is its most effective terrain...

[Ken_Oh]

Well, of course, the unit would be able to come out of hiding to attack offensively. The ability is named ambush, after all.

But, I see what you're saying and that's something I hadn't thought about. I'm not sure there's a KISS way to do anything about this, other than leaving it alone.

[JW]

Not to R an OFW, but since we're on the subject of Ambush...

...would it be possible to have moves only queued in "Shroud Updates: Off" mode and then have these queued moves ignore Ambushing units?

Once the player makes a move that would force the queue (like selecting an attack or turning SU: On), the moves would be run one at a timefrom their original positions now NOT ignoring Ambushing units. This would make for a surprise if the unit happened to have passed into enemy ZOC, which is exactly what the ability is supposed to do. This would also remove the dreaded "search" function that EP has warned us about.

I'm not sure if this is implementable, but if it is it would solve all of the current problems (but perhaps add new ones?).