Minotaur Faction : The Era Of Strife

[Gena]

here is lvl 2

[Gena]

i also made an orcish assasin if anyone needs one

[Quietus]

Ok there are a few things your sprites could do with. The first is shading. its best to study previous sprites (preferably mainline) and see how the units have been shaded. Add highlights on exposed bits and shadows to darker less visible areas.

The next is definition. Its best to have you're sprites defined well, so its easy to see what exactly is happening in it. Again refering to other sprites is a good way to see how it is done.

The third is size and posture. Unfortunately your Gnoll is way to big to fit in the hex. Its bigger than the king, and noone is bigger than the king!! lol sorry went off on one then. Also the sprites should all face towards the south east.

The sprites are good, as you're new to this so Keep working hard at them, and hopefully they will look good. Also I think you might be using MS Paint by the looks of the white backgrounds. Might i suggest downloading th GIMP which is free, as you can do alot more things.

EDIT: oh and here is the first taste of minotaurs in action. Not actually coded, just replaced the loyalist base sprites.

[Darth Jordius]

Here is what I wrote quite a while ago, but you never responded. I'm just reposting my idea since you didn't notice it. Or maybe you hated it...

I have an idea for your Rouser, instead of a sharpened flagpole like everybody else has, give him a Cat o' Nine Tails. This could be a melee weapon with blade damage, but now that I think about it this would be more of a ranged weapon. I'd suggest about 3 strikes 10-12 damage. I'm not sure I'd have him change into the minotaur king if you follow my suggestion, but if you've envisioned him as having a battle axe, then go ahead and do that.

Also, since you have so few units, I'd suggest creating another path that your rouser would come from, something like the behemoth that when leveled would gain the leadership ability. Kind of like the elvish fighter line.

I know these are major suggestions that would require a lot more work to implement, but I'm just serving up my opinion. I look forward to the completion of this era very much, and have already got a campaign idea for it. However, I have another that I want to complete first.

[Quietus]

Here is what I wrote quite a while ago, but you never responded. I'm just reposting my idea since you didn't notice it. Or maybe you hated it...

I have an idea for your Rouser, instead of a sharpened flagpole like everybody else has, give him a Cat o' Nine Tails. This could be a melee weapon with blade damage, but now that I think about it this would be more of a ranged weapon. I'd suggest about 3 strikes 10-12 damage. I'm not sure I'd have him change into the minotaur king if you follow my suggestion, but if you've envisioned him as having a battle axe, then go ahead and do that.

Also, since you have so few units, I'd suggest creating another path that your rouser would come from, something like the behemoth that when leveled would gain the leadership ability. Kind of like the elvish fighter line.

I know these are major suggestions that would require a lot more work to implement, but I'm just serving up my opinion. I look forward to the completion of this era very much, and have already got a campaign idea for it. However, I have another that I want to complete first.

Oops, i gues i must have missed that. This thread isnt very well organised, and atm im more concentrating on getting the artwork done.

Hmm the idea about the Cat o' Nine Tails is interesting. Though perhaps not for the rouser. Maybe a new line all together? Im already making a new lvl 2 evolution for the Gore called savage. He will then evolve into a lvl 3 and in turn into a the Minotaur King. Perhaps he could have it instead? The idea is that the savage is more brutal but has little if not armour at all.

[Darth Jordius]

Hey, whatever you decide. I had just thrown the idea out in the hopes it'd inspire you. I just thought that the brutish minotaur leadership unit would use some form of whip to "encourage" the smaller warriors. Perhaps he could even be a different Behemoth line. That'd certainly makes sense considering their size. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Oh, and thanks for the short response time.

[thespaceinvader]

Looking pretty good =D

The only things missing are TC for the king and shaman.

[Quietus]

Hey, whatever you decide. I had just thrown the idea out in the hopes it'd inspire you. I just thought that the brutish minotaur leadership unit would use some form of whip to "encourage" the smaller warriors. Perhaps he could even be a different Behemoth line. That'd certainly makes sense considering their size. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Oh, and thanks for the short response time.

Hmm the behemoth is more of the minotaurs pet if you will, not a really a leader type. Ill have a play around tonight and see whtat i come up with.

[Darth Jordius]

Hmm the behemoth is more of the minotaurs pet if you will, not a really a leader type. Ill have a play around tonight and see whtat i come up with.

Hmm, I wonder how much they eat a day...

Okay then, back to the beginning. Going by the last chart, I'd say the leader unit I've proposed would best fit in... as a completely new unit path. Ugh. I like the rouser name, but if the rouser will become the king my unit idea has no place in this era, you don't really want two leader units. Perhaps the Rouser could be replaced by a unit that has a large battle ax like the King, and the rouser would be an entirely different unit. Maybe you meant for the Minotaur King to have the leadership ability, but I think that'd make him too overpowered. Of course the Grand Marshal has leadership, but he isn't even recruitable in mainline. I don't know, it's your faction so whatever you say goes is final.

Oh, and one more suggestion. Please don't give the Minotaur King the 25-2 attack, it get's pretty old. Having three strikes will make him worthy of his level.

[Gena]

i have used GIMP im just first time

[Darth Jordius]

Well, hopefully you can improve and make art contributions to Wesnoth.

[Quietus]

Hmm the behemoth is more of the minotaurs pet if you will, not a really a leader type. Ill have a play around tonight and see whtat i come up with.

Hmm, I wonder how much they eat a day...

Okay then, back to the beginning. Going by the last chart, I'd say the leader unit I've proposed would best fit in... as a completely new unit path. Ugh. I like the rouser name, but if the rouser will become the king my unit idea has no place in this era, you don't really want two leader units. Perhaps the Rouser could be replaced by a unit that has a large battle ax like the King, and the rouser would be an entirely different unit. Maybe you meant for the Minotaur King to have the leadership ability, but I think that'd make him too overpowered. Of course the Grand Marshal has leadership, but he isn't even recruitable in mainline. I don't know, it's your faction so whatever you say goes is final.

Oh, and one more suggestion. Please don't give the Minotaur King the 25-2 attack, it get's pretty old. Having three strikes will make him worthy of his level.

OH my they eat alo

Erm yeah i think i should really have a new unit line which has the leadership ability. Ill post a new unit tree in like an hour, and show you what i propse and then we can discuss lol.

Oh and the king will have 3 relatively powerful attacks.

[cretin]

i could see the executioner being a leadership unit. instills fear into retreating minotaurs etc... mmm makes me think of commissars

oh btw Quietus is there a chance you can update the unit tree on the first page? i keep having to search through the many pages to find the more up to date version.

[Quietus]

i could see the executioner being a leadership unit. instills fear into retreating minotaurs etc... mmm makes me think of commissars

That was initially the idea of the new Gore evolution line. Some kind of non armoured version of the exectutioner, only he wouldnt have a sythe but a whip and perhaps a short sword. The lvl 2 and 3 would have leadership, then the lvl 4 would be the king, which probably would loose the leadership for the additional attack and damage.

oh btw Quietus is there a chance you can update the unit tree on the first page? i keep having to search through the many pages to find the more up to date version.

Done

Though it will probably get changed later today to include the new gore evolution with possibbly a new sprite. In future ill update the front page with a new tree everytime i change it.

[Darth Jordius]

Hey thanks Quietus, can't wait to see the new tree.