Ghostly Calls
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Ghostly Calls
I recently posted the campaign Ghostly Calls on the add-ons server for 1.9.5.
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Thank you for your feedback, and enjoy the campaign! 
Suukorak
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Suukorak
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
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SigurdFireDragon
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Re: Ghostly Calls
1. Did you find any bugs?
yes, see below...
2. What difficulty were you playing on?
Normal
3. If you know WML, do you have any programming suggestions?
A couple, see below...
4. Do you have any suggestions for the gameplay (balancing)?
not at the moment, only played two scenarios so far
5. Do you have any suggestions for the storyline?
not at the moment.
6. I am thinking of making a sequel. Any thoughts or suggestions on that?
I'll comment when I finish the campaign.
WML Bugs:
an error message occurs in the first scenario, this is due to you having the {HIGHLIGHT_ITEM} macro outside of an event. It needs to be inside one (probably should be the start event).
A second error is due to faulty Objective tags (you have two of them, one for side 0, another for side 1) You should elimnate the first one, and set the second (as it's the proper format) to side=1 (Objectives uses the key description, not speaker)
Programming Suggestions:
For the first scenario, I think it would be better if John Dee recruited or had two or three Arch Mages with him to chase you. John Dee can be killed on Normal if you lure him into the water at night and can get 3 hits off with the Shadow's backstab. Then the remaining Bats & the Adept are likely to kill him.
The indenting of your code is bad. (At least in the first couple scenarios. Later scenarios are a little better, but still off of ideal form.) This makes it hard to read, and lessens the likelyhood of getting comments about it.
I recommend you use wmlindent, a developer tool, to automatically indent all your code (make a backup first). You'll have to set some time aside for this. wmlindent can be intimidating to set up, but it is worth the time. (I found it intmidating when I first set it up.) Even though it might seem a bit involved to set it up, it will clean up your code indenting faster than doing it by hand.
Also, if you're not using a proper code editor (you might already be), get something like notepad++, and get the proper (Highlighting Plugin) for it.
With version numbering, it is recommended to follow the guidelines in
PblWML using the style of 0.y.z for works-in-progress, & reserving 1.0.0 and greater for content that is reasonably complete, polished & balanced.
Campaign Thoughts:
From the two scenarios I've played so far, this campagin seems like a good introductory campagin to playing the undead for novice/first-time players of Wesnoth. Units for the recruit list are introduced slowly, the player is guided by the story and dialogue to use them as they are introduced, and the doubled experience requirement for levelup gives the player more time to work with each unit.
I'd recommend updating the campaign description to mention this fact.
I'll have more comments after I've played through the rest of the campaign.
yes, see below...
2. What difficulty were you playing on?
Normal
3. If you know WML, do you have any programming suggestions?
A couple, see below...
4. Do you have any suggestions for the gameplay (balancing)?
not at the moment, only played two scenarios so far
5. Do you have any suggestions for the storyline?
not at the moment.
6. I am thinking of making a sequel. Any thoughts or suggestions on that?
I'll comment when I finish the campaign.
WML Bugs:
an error message occurs in the first scenario, this is due to you having the {HIGHLIGHT_ITEM} macro outside of an event. It needs to be inside one (probably should be the start event).
A second error is due to faulty Objective tags (you have two of them, one for side 0, another for side 1) You should elimnate the first one, and set the second (as it's the proper format) to side=1 (Objectives uses the key description, not speaker)
Programming Suggestions:
For the first scenario, I think it would be better if John Dee recruited or had two or three Arch Mages with him to chase you. John Dee can be killed on Normal if you lure him into the water at night and can get 3 hits off with the Shadow's backstab. Then the remaining Bats & the Adept are likely to kill him.
The indenting of your code is bad. (At least in the first couple scenarios. Later scenarios are a little better, but still off of ideal form.) This makes it hard to read, and lessens the likelyhood of getting comments about it.
I recommend you use wmlindent, a developer tool, to automatically indent all your code (make a backup first). You'll have to set some time aside for this. wmlindent can be intimidating to set up, but it is worth the time. (I found it intmidating when I first set it up.) Even though it might seem a bit involved to set it up, it will clean up your code indenting faster than doing it by hand.
Also, if you're not using a proper code editor (you might already be), get something like notepad++, and get the proper (Highlighting Plugin) for it.
With version numbering, it is recommended to follow the guidelines in
PblWML using the style of 0.y.z for works-in-progress, & reserving 1.0.0 and greater for content that is reasonably complete, polished & balanced.
Campaign Thoughts:
From the two scenarios I've played so far, this campagin seems like a good introductory campagin to playing the undead for novice/first-time players of Wesnoth. Units for the recruit list are introduced slowly, the player is guided by the story and dialogue to use them as they are introduced, and the doubled experience requirement for levelup gives the player more time to work with each unit.
I'd recommend updating the campaign description to mention this fact.
I'll have more comments after I've played through the rest of the campaign.
Co-Author of Winds of Fate
My Add-ons: Random Campaign, Custom Campaign, Ultimate Random Maps, Era of Legends, Gui Debug Tools
Erfworld: The comic that lead me to find Wesnoth.
My Add-ons: Random Campaign, Custom Campaign, Ultimate Random Maps, Era of Legends, Gui Debug Tools
Erfworld: The comic that lead me to find Wesnoth.
Re: Ghostly Calls
I didn't play this campaign yet, but wanted to say something about this. If you really don't use a proper editor, better start with the Wesnoth Eclipse IDE than with a plain text editorSigurdTheDragon wrote: Also, if you're not using a proper code editor (you might already be), get something like notepad++, and get the proper (Highlighting Plugin) for it.
There you can call directly tools like wmllint, wmlscope and wmlindent and start your campaign ingame.
Crend
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Re: Ghostly Calls
Thank you, SigurdTheDragon. Very helpful comments. I realize it's a bit messed up as I just adapted it from 1.6. I have tried to figure out how to use wmlindent and wmllint and all those silly things, but, truth be told, I don't know enough about them to be able to run them. I tried running the wesnoth IDE, but it doesn't like the directories I give it on setup, so... I can't use it, sorry. I will certainly consider your balancing and description suggestions, but I don't think there's a way to make the version a 0.x.y while making it a 'more recent' version than 1.0.
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Thank you,
Suukorak
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Thank you,
Suukorak
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
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SigurdFireDragon
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Re: Ghostly Calls
More comments:
Finished up through Blood Feud scenario.
Some suggestions:
Undead Crypt: add a time extention when the reinforcing leader arrivies on the scene. (otherwise it counts as a tomato suprise; and a few players would run out of time for the scenario.)
Return to the Library: Clarify objectives to indicate that Ahab must pick up the book.
Blood Feud: Clarify objectives to indicate that Ahab must pick up the skull.
Finished up through Blood Feud scenario.
Some suggestions:
Undead Crypt: add a time extention when the reinforcing leader arrivies on the scene. (otherwise it counts as a tomato suprise; and a few players would run out of time for the scenario.)
Return to the Library: Clarify objectives to indicate that Ahab must pick up the book.
Blood Feud: Clarify objectives to indicate that Ahab must pick up the skull.
Co-Author of Winds of Fate
My Add-ons: Random Campaign, Custom Campaign, Ultimate Random Maps, Era of Legends, Gui Debug Tools
Erfworld: The comic that lead me to find Wesnoth.
My Add-ons: Random Campaign, Custom Campaign, Ultimate Random Maps, Era of Legends, Gui Debug Tools
Erfworld: The comic that lead me to find Wesnoth.
Re: Ghostly Calls
Thank you for the feedback! I appreciate it, and will act accordingly.
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
Re: Ghostly Calls
I have implemented the corrections suggested by SigurdtheDragon in version 1.0.1.
Thanks for the feedback so far, I hope it will continue!
Thanks for the feedback so far, I hope it will continue!
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
Re: Ghostly Calls
um....
there are NO scenario objectives...
there are NO scenario objectives...
Re: Ghostly Calls
That's strange... there should be. I'll check it out.
What exactly does it say at the beginning?
What exactly does it say at the beginning?
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
Re: Ghostly Calls
"No objectives avaible"
and in every scenario is a error message
btw.. i think that those maps are to big, you need an hour to walk throught the most
and in every scenario is a error message
btw.. i think that those maps are to big, you need an hour to walk throught the most
Re: Ghostly Calls
I can second Konrad2's bug report on BfW 1.9.6.Suukorak wrote:That's strange... there should be. I'll check it out.
What exactly does it say at the beginning?
There's a Lua error: attempt to concatenate field 'description' (a nil value) at the beginning of each scenario.
Crend
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Anonymissimus
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Re: Ghostly Calls
Since large parts of the wml action engine are implemented in lua in 1.9, one can get lua errors even though one isn't using any lua in one's addon. It usually means that one didn't follow allowed wml syntax closely enough; in this case you used [objective]key= instead of description=.Crendgrim wrote:There's a Lua error: attempt to concatenate field 'description' (a nil value) at the beginning of each scenario
projects (BfW 1.12):
A Simple Campaign: campaign draft for wml starters • Plan Your Advancements: mp mod
The Earth's Gut: sp campaign • Settlers of Wesnoth: mp scenario • Wesnoth Lua Pack: lua tags and utils
updated to 1.8 and handed over: A Gryphon's Tale: sp campaign
A Simple Campaign: campaign draft for wml starters • Plan Your Advancements: mp mod
The Earth's Gut: sp campaign • Settlers of Wesnoth: mp scenario • Wesnoth Lua Pack: lua tags and utils
updated to 1.8 and handed over: A Gryphon's Tale: sp campaign
Re: Ghostly Calls
Aha! Thank you, Anonymissimus, for the solution, and Konrad2 and Crendgrim for pointing out the error. It will be remedied at once.
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
Re: Ghostly Calls
I have found a bug in the campaing:
Spoiler:
Re: Ghostly Calls
You surprise me that you were able to kill him. You probably got very lucky… Anyway, he’s not dead. He just retreated.
Do you think the time limit on scenario 3 is too short? On what difficulty was it? Also, it seems like you’re turning to fight. Perhaps it would be more advisable to flee – you don’t have to kill anyone to win the scenario, just escape. Later, you’ll get your chance to fight.
Thanks for pointing out this discontinuity, though. I’ll make sure to make it more clear in the next version.
Do you think the time limit on scenario 3 is too short? On what difficulty was it? Also, it seems like you’re turning to fight. Perhaps it would be more advisable to flee – you don’t have to kill anyone to win the scenario, just escape. Later, you’ll get your chance to fight.
Thanks for pointing out this discontinuity, though. I’ll make sure to make it more clear in the next version.
He who is still learning WML, can still make a campaign. (or at least try)
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.
You are an Arch Mage - You're definitely intelligent, but some people would say you spend too much time inside. The power you have learned, however, is simply unmatched.