Level up Konrad in HttT Scenario 1

[ayearhasgone]

I recently read a post where someone stated that they use the first scenario of HttT to level-up Konrad. I've given this a shot several times, but have been unsuccessful. Between the large amount of orcs thrown at me and the limited turns, I can't figure out how to maneuver Konrad to achieve a level-up and beat the scenario on time.

Has anyone had success with this? If so, any replays of it?

[monochromatic]

Don't have a replay at hand, but here's a trick: Use Delfador.

He actually has more hitpoints than you think. His almighty lightning can reduce those lvl 2 orcs to very little hp, and Konrad can easily finish off those guys. Use your elves for cover and also to steal experience when possible. Konrad doesn't need that much xp to level-up, only 28! That's two level 2 kills! And once, he levels, he's a lot stronger so you don't need to worry about protecting him too much.

[ayearhasgone]

Thanks for the tip. I was using elves to chip away at orcs so that Konrad could finish them, but this tactic always left me being overrun.

I'll go see what I can do with Delfador...

[Ceres]

And dont forget that shamans are really succesful at slowing enemies down, especially crossbowmen are esay targets if slowed and while sun is shining.
Well, I use Delfador rarely to weaken units, because everytime he should not kill them, he does .
The north-western orc also let you gain a lot of XP (at least 24 of 32); and again, he's really weak if slowed.

[Mountain_King]

With a bit of luck...
Just did it on normal difficulty, 1.9.2 version of Wesnoth.
Replay:

HttT-The_Elves_Besieged_replay.gz

Just barely...

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[Just_end_turn]

With a bit of luck, you can indeed make it.

I remember that the first time I tried to play it on hard in 1.8, I played not carefully and still got Konrad l2 (That was my objective for the first scenario), a sorceress with 50% of the xp needed to lv3 and a ranger that died. (I finished it at turn 12, so I had lost everyhting except 3 units).

So, my tip is to try to try to fight more to the left part, because if you're not quick enough, you won't finish it in the 12 turns time limit. Also as other said, Delfador and a bit of luck help much...

[ayearhasgone]

With a bit of luck...
Just did it on normal difficulty, 1.9.2 version of Wesnoth.
Replay:

HttT-The_Elves_Besieged_replay.gz

Awesome, I'll watch it when the baby goes to sleep.

As things stand, I managed to get Konrad about 3 XP points away from level 2, so it wasn't too hard leveling up in the next scenario. The northwest orc was easy, but the allied elves killed him before I had a chance to. Also, I found that Delfador slaughtered units instead of weakening them...

I'm playing normal difficulty BTW.

[mr_lolz]

its super easy, I just did it on 'challenging'

kill one l1 unit with konrad while traversing the woods (probably a wolf rider). leave army behind to distract the horde, and gank the orc leader at the top left by the sign. the wizard & an archer or two can get him down to like 5hp then konrad just has to hit him for insta level

[Anonymissimus]

With a bit of luck...
Just did it on normal difficulty, 1.9.2 version of Wesnoth.
Replay:

HttT-The_Elves_Besieged_replay.gz

On turn 10 you killed the northwestern orc with Konrad while he could have killed Konrad with a single of his three hits in retaliation...now forbid yourself to saveload and risk doing that...no...
I'd rather center on leveling a healer, marksman or sorceress here and maybe finishing a turn early, that's more useful if you want to get the loyal knight in the next scenario (on hard).

[ayearhasgone]

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On turn 10 you killed the northwestern orc with Konrad while he could have killed Konrad with a single of his three hits in retaliation...now forbid yourself to saveload and risk doing that...no...

I noticed that too. Definitely more than just a bit of luck!

I would love to have a shaman leveled up in this scenario or the next, but I can't level those units to save my life. Killing weakened units with them is difficult because "entangle" doesn't always hit its mark and isn't terribly powerful, and then the orc retaliates and bang, no more shaman.

[Anonymissimus]

here
http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php ... ht#p444936
are some replays (2 for Elves besieged) that center on preparing for getting the loyal knight in the next scenario. I get a sorceress there too. (In the long run that's much more useful than leveling Konrad early; Konrad can be leveled in Isle of Alduin, sometimes even from 1 to 3 in 1 scenario.

[Velensk]

I'd generally rather level up my other units on the first scenario.

[Mountain_King]

Come on! I'm Irish, doesn't that make me exceptionally lucky? What, no?
(Okay, I admit to save-loading once to save the archer, but not foolish Konrad.)
Regardless...I DID get Konrad to level 2 w/o save-loading, and without running out of time (that was the original goal). The warlord was an added bonus 'cause Konrad is xp-greedy. Would it make you feel any better if I tried again on hard?



Note on leveling shamans: Leveling up shamans in later levels is quite a bit easier when Konrad gives them leadership. One can do up to 6-2 on her attacks that way. If you use a mage in the daytime to attack an orcish archer, the archer should be reduced to 1-5 hitpoints (if all three hit, that is), meaning your shaman can come in and finish him off with leadership. Done three times, you've almost leveled a shaman. Another way is just to spam shamans, a few are bound to level up that way.


Slainte!
Ri_an_tSléibhe

[Anonymissimus]

Would it make you feel any better if I tried again on hard?

yes
The scenario is much harder on HARD due to the modified ai settings. And when you look at your damage dealt/taken statistics, take care for neutral luck (at least ). You might save-load to undo some too good luck if neccessary.

[Just_end_turn]

I have a replay on hard of me the second time I made the campaign. (First time I lost my king in the second scenar, so I had decided to try to level up in the first i think.)

I had some nice luck (Tryng to see that info on replay save without opening wesnoth displays it as last edited today) but this is compensated by bad play and bad recruit.

So I had Konrad levelled, a 40/80 xp sorceress and a lost ranger ( ) at the end.