please help...

miyo · Post by **miyo** » August 20th, 2004, 11:16 am

Having source code first may irritate some people, but:

* Wesnoth is Free Software that also runs on some non-free platforms... source code and free platforms should go first.
* They have a chance to learn about Free Software (instead of just clicking the first link and getting it working on Microsoft Windows without thinking at all).
* Even Microsoft Windows users should learn to read (no, this was not an attack against those who already can read).

Wesnoth is not only an game... it is Free Software. We do not need to bow to the "almighty" Microsoft Windows.

- Miyo

Post by **Dave** » August 20th, 2004, 11:31 am

miyo wrote:Officially Wesnoth project provides just the source code... and therefore source code should be first.

I disagree, but if you really want, how about,

Wesnoth Source Code
Wesnoth for Windows
Wesnoth for MacOSX
Wesnoth for other platforms...

David

Post by **fmunoz** » August 20th, 2004, 11:46 am

Litlle icons for the operative sistems will help too ... the windows window, the X for macs etc.. just like http://www.libsdl.org/games.php?order=n ... perpage=50
Of course we will have to create a new icon for source... (maybe we could reuse the c++ document icon from kde or gnome)

miyo · Post by **miyo** » August 31st, 2004, 5:35 pm

We have changed/re-designed downloads-page.

- Miyo

scott · Post by **scott** » August 31st, 2004, 9:50 pm

There's nothing wrong with being accomodating to the fans. A short note of explanation would suffice.

You're not a business where the customer is always right, but you still want happy Wesnoth campers. Especially if someone spends 45 minutes downloading the source over a modem and finds out it's the wrong thing.

miyo · Post by **miyo** » September 1st, 2004, 5:54 am

scott wrote:Especially if someone spends 45 minutes downloading the source over a modem and finds out it's the wrong thing.

Hopefully that teaches him/her to learn reading and thinking what he is doing... that can save him many headaches in life.

- Miyo

Post by **Viliam** » September 6th, 2004, 11:59 am

scott wrote:You're not a business where the customer is always right, but you still want happy Wesnoth campers. Especially if someone spends 45 minutes downloading the source over a modem and finds out it's the wrong thing.

Yes, it is generally more efficient if web maintainers spend 20 minutes re-ordering and re-naming the download links, than if plenty of users spend hours downloading wrong files, trying to install them, and trying to find out what is the problem.

Sometimes the philosophy of "scratching your own itch" makes people think that the right person to simplify something is the one who does not understand it at all... because he is the one that most needs it simplified, doesn't he?

miyo · Post by **miyo** » September 6th, 2004, 12:04 pm

Viliam wrote:Yes, it is generally more efficient if web maintainers spend 20 minutes re-ordering and re-naming the download links, than if plenty of users spend hours downloading wrong files, trying to install them, and trying to find out what is the problem.

No matter how we re-order them... people will possibly/likely download wrong files if they don't read =)

We are not going to make Wesnoth for Windows the first download on the page just because some Windows users click the first download entry on the page without reading.

- Miyo

pjr · Post by **pjr** » September 6th, 2004, 9:18 pm

In general Windows users don't know what the term "source code" means and have no reason to learn, so they can't really be blamed for not understanding the current text. However, they know what an "installer" is, so changing the text on the Windows download link to "Installer for Windows" might help, as well as adding a note under the page header such as "Please ensure that you download the right version for your computer".

Another possibility would be to use browser identification to suggest an appropriate download, if the wesnoth.org server supports it.

miyo · Post by **miyo** » September 6th, 2004, 9:20 pm

How is current "Wesnoth for Microsoft Windows" not enough?

"Installer for Windows" -> doesn't this mean you are going to install windows? =)

"Wesnoth Installer for Microsoft Windows" - but I don't really think this is needed... "Wesnoth for Microsoft Windows" (as it is right now) should be enough.

They still need to be able to read, they need find the "Wesnoth for Microsoft Windows" and then click the file to download instead of blindly clicking first entry which they don't even know what it means.

- Miyo

Ave · Post by **Ave** » September 7th, 2004, 6:26 pm

Some icons for the illiterate please

I doubt a windows user would click on a penguin or a devil if there is the familiar windows logo too.

Burnsaber · Post by **Burnsaber** » September 8th, 2004, 1:18 pm

miyo wrote:We have changed/re-designed downloads-page.

- Miyo

Thank you very much for that.

Post by **Dave** » September 8th, 2004, 11:36 pm

Icons could be nice, if someone would like to provide them...

Of course then we will probably use pngs and find they don't show up nicely in some versions of IE

David

Roel · Post by **Roel** » September 9th, 2004, 10:49 am

miyo wrote: * Even Microsoft Windows users should learn to read (no, this was not an attack against those who already can read).

Wesnoth is not only an game...

I'm not a native english speaker but I can read and write english

, a game instead of an game.

couldn't resist it