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[DeCoolest_Cat]

EDIT: This is the feedback thread for my 1-3 scenario mini campaigns (and possibly others eventually). A lot of these scenarios are going for mainline, and so are some of mine. However, others (like In The Ring) are just for UMC. Keep this in mind going forward.


Original: This is the feedback thread for the 2 scenario campaign The Price of Capture. For everyone that doesn't know about this, it is part of an idea to bring short singleplayer scenarios into the campaign menu. The whole idea can be found here. In The Price of Capture, you play as Kelkarak, the leader of an ogre tribe. A human general attempts to capture your people for a war. You have to defeat him and defend the tribe. I am attempting for this to go mainline.

Answering feedback from skeptical_troll:
1. I will try to fix that
2. The ogres are supposed to be captured if surrounded by all enemies. I tried numerous ways to get this to work, and I guess I didn't test that one fully.
3. I intentionally put only 4 villages on the map. It is supposed to get you to attack on the flanks to get any healing. If an ogre in the middle has low health, I moved him south to the village there. The scenario is not easy, and it shouldn't be (on medium or hard difficulty). You are of course only playing as a group of ogres.

Version 0.1.0 is available on the add-ons server

[tribes55]

Is there a thread for the first scenario?

[DeCoolest_Cat]

Is there a thread for the first scenario?

If by first scenario you mean The Battle of Tirigaz, then no there isn't.

[skeptical_troll]

Glad to hear that you are fixing in. If it can be useful to you, here is a piece of code which I wrote for my campaign which I slighlty adapted to give what you want (in my case it was the player who captures enemies by placing 3 units around them)

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  [event]
    name=moveto
    first_time_only=no
   #optional: trigger only if an enemy unit move next to one of yours
    [filter]
	side=2
      [filter_adjacent]
	side=1
      [/filter_adjacent]
    [/filter]

   #convert your units with 6 enemies around them
    [modify_unit]
	[filter]
	side=1
	  [filter_adjacent]
	    side=2
	    count=6
	  [/filter_adjacent]
	[/filter]
      side=2
    [/modify_unit]
[/event]

However, I have an objection to this mechanism, although I like the idea behind it: the AI will not know that he can capture your units, hence when he moves a unit next to yours it will be most likely to attack. If a unit is surrounded by 6 enemies, it means that he sustained already a lot of duels, so he will likely be dead or almost-dead by then, unless he was really lucky. That, combined with the lack of healing, suggests to me that this mechanic will not really influence the fight.

Maybe you can consider reducing the number of surrounding units needed to 'convert' the ogres, like 3 or 4 at most (change 'count=x' in the code above). this would pose a real challenge to the player as situations like these will naturally happen very often. It will need some testing though.

[DeCoolest_Cat]

Thanks for the code. I feel reducing the count to 4 makes the most sense, as you are ZoC'd with at least 4 enemies around you.

EDIT: fixed the capturing problem. Added new version to add-on server!

[skeptical_troll]

Hey, I played the new version, on 'hard'. I must say it was really fun, I managed to finish rather quickly in 15 turns, but then the second scenario did not load, I don't know if it was for a bug or just because it is not implemented.
I would have had 25 gold bonus for the next one. Replay is attached.

My strategy:

Spoiler:

Sent one party north another south, both mixtures of young ogres/smashers. AI sent most of enemy units to the south after my leader, with only a handful of spearmen and bowmen to the north.
The situation looked a bit problematic for the leader, so I decided to take advantage of the fact that many of the enemy units (HI and cavalrymen) cannot climb up the mountains. I parked the leader and his bodyguards in the mountain tiles in the far south, avoiding engagement and trying to take out the bowmen. I fell into temptation of hitting spearmen sometimes, it wasn't really necessary. HI and cavalrymen happily roamed the plains, looking from a distance the fight of their fellows.
Once my northern force had disposed of the few enemies there, (useful to level up the loyal ogre) I moved them to threat the unguarded enemy leader, who were stupid enough to be lured out of his keep and finished off by my happy ogres. Looking back, I could have probably leveled my ogre to the variant with the 'berserker' ability, to be sure that I could kill the lieutenant quickly.

Look forward to the next scenario!

[DeCoolest_Cat]

I'm still having trouble coding the capturing mechanic, specifically for the leader. I can't seem to get it so that if he is captured, the scenario doesn't immediately end as a defeat. (This should probably go in wml section, but I don't wanna make a new thread)

So far I have

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[event]
	name=side 2 turn
[if]
[have_unit]
	id=Kelkarak
	side=2
[/have_unit]
{MODIFY_UNIT (id=Kelkarak) side 1}
[then]
[message]
	speaker=Kelkarak
	message=_"Human no take Kelkarak! Kelkarak is strong!"
[/message]
[message]
	speaker=Garliend
	message=_"That seems to be their leader. Without him, the rest will run. Let's take him back to camp."
[/message]
[endlevel]
	result=victory
	next_scenario=02a_Short_Lived_Victory
[/endlevel]
[/then]
[/if]
[/event]
    

[skeptical_troll]

My first guess is that the {MODIFY_UNIT ..} part should be within the [then] tag, but I'd need to try to check if it works. Or did you mean that you wanted the scenario to end not at the turn end but as the enemies surround Kelkarak?
in that case you may try something like

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 [event]
    name=moveto
    first_time_only=no
   #optional: trigger only if an enemy unit move next to one of yours
    [filter]
   side=2
      [filter_adjacent]
        id=Kelkarak
        [filter_adjacent]
          side=2
         count=4
        [/filter_adjacent]
      [/filter_adjacent]
    [/filter]
   #message if you like
    [endlevel]
     ....
   [/endlevel]
[/event]

Only thing I am not sure about is if 'count' should be set to 4 (like after movement of the unit), or to 3 (before movement)

[Whiskeyjack]

Wesnoth 1.12, difficulty medium.

Typos&co:

First screen in the pre-game story:
impenetratable -> impenetrable
You write the castle once as Trienlem once as Treinlem

Second screen:
slayed -> slew

The Retaliation:
Victory condition: You use slay here, kill/defeat is commonly used (nothing wrong with slay though, just unusual)

Pre-game story screen:

Hopefully for Kelkarak, he can use this as an advantage.

-> Better: Hopefully for Kelkarak, he can use this to his advantage.

Upon winning:

They never said the ogres would rebell...

Typo + other suggestions: Nobody warned me the ogres would rebel...
or: I never thought the ogres would rebel...
or: I wasn´t informed that the ogres would rebel...

Upon killing the lieutenant in game 1 I get an Error:

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Unknown scenario: '02b_Free_Your_Bothers'

(there is an r in Brothers missing)

I needed a couple tries to find a strategy for the first scenario (then it was quite easy though). As you can see in the attached replay, the second scenario felt way to easy (I actually had no need to fight seriously anywhere and I don´t think those Loys could have taken me). I think a few ogres less and shortening the mountain range reaching north somewhat could help here (to make it harder to outmaneuver the loyalists).

It was a fun play though, thanks!

Replays attached

[DeCoolest_Cat]

I have published "The Archives" on the add-ons server! It contains "The Price of Capture" (same as before, but now in a different add-on as well), and the new scenario "Monsters of Midnight". To skeptical_troll, Sire, Kwandulin, and others: This doesn't have to be the main add-on for the scenarios, but I will be at least putting my own on here. If you want, I can always put your scenarios on this add-on.

Monsters of Midnight is a single-scenario campaign where you live in swamp infested with werewolves. You are bitten, and you must try to defeat a village chief, and your former baron. It needs a LOT of work to go mainline, but that is the end goal. If that is not possible, I am fine with it staying UMC. Feedback for this along with The Price of Capture can both be posted here.

[ForestDragon]

i like Monsters of Midnight, but maybe you should add creepier music, or at least more active, because that calm, relaxing tune just doesn't fit in, oh and anims are missing during event attacks, maybe you can do it like i do in my campaign, and it works fine, only thing is that you have to put [delay]s in between each attack (something means attacker, somethingd means damage,somethingw means weapon, and target_something means target respectively)

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#define something_HIT
        [animate_unit]
            flag=attack
            [filter]
                id=something
            [/filter]
            [primary_attack]
                name=somethingw
            [/primary_attack]
            hits=yes
            [facing]
                [filter]
                    id=target_something
                [/filter]
            [/facing]
            [animate]
                flag=defend
                [filter]
                    id=target_something
                [/filter]
                [facing]
                    [filter]
                        id=something
                    [/filter]
                [/facing]
                hits=yes
            [/animate]
        [/animate_unit]
		[store_unit]
			[filter]
				id=target_something
			[/filter]
			variable=target
		[/store_unit]
		[set_variable]
			name=target.hitpoints
			sub=somethingd
		[/set_variable]
#this thing in if isn't really necessary, but you can still do it
		[if]
			[variable]
				name=target.hitpoints
				less_than=1
			[/variable]
			[then]
				[kill]
					id=target_something
                                        animate=yes
				[/kill]     
			[/then]
		[/if]
		[unstore_unit]
			variable=target
			find_vacant=no
			text= _ "somethingd"
			{COLOR_HARM}
		[/unstore_unit]
#enddef

oh, i also didn't see dead-peasant.png anywhere

[DeCoolest_Cat]

Version 0.0.2 is out! New 3 scenario tale added: "In The Ring". Humorous campaign similar to Kill the King, but with a twist. Speaking of Kill the King, look around for the its alternate ending (totally okayed by Dugi)

This is not going for mainline.

[ForestDragon]

sorry, but it crashes for me, saying about units/ee

[DeCoolest_Cat]

It works fine for me... I had the folder named "EE" while the path said 'units/ee", so maybe that was it. Assuming that was the problem, now it's fixed.

[ForestDragon]

works fine now, thanks!
EDIT: played it now, and to be honest, i don't know what exactly did you label as 'Mature' content, i don't really see anything, or maybe i didn't notice something, well to be honest, Kill the King seems more mature to me