Legend of the Invincibles

[gnombat]

I am now at last crusade but i have probem allways at begining of my turn game freeze and it take more then 1minute to hear bell when i can start my turn.
Does anybody have samo problem or clue why this happening to me?

Have you tried turning off autosaves?

[lhybrideur]

It could be that there is a lot going on that you cannot see.

[Rendy55]

I am now at last crusade but i have probem allways at begining of my turn game freeze and it take more then 1minute to hear bell when i can start my turn.
Does anybody have samo problem or clue why this happening to me?

Have you tried turning off autosaves?

It worked thanks

[Rendy55]

Will be afably evil and beautifull child posted in to add ons?

[masterpace]

I've been testing the undead after the recent changes and I want to say that phantoms are absolutely overpowered, hopefully the savefile I will attach gives an idea of why that's the case.
However, I have also come across a very peculiar bug: if a phantom with the combat recall ability advances during the enemy's turn, it loses the ability to teleport to leaders (the ability still shows but doesn't work). Teleporting to lich kings is unaffected.
In the following save kill the machine vector on 40,1 with the phantom about to level up and end your turn, it should kill an oculus on the enemy's turn and trigger the bug. This happens no matter what advancement is made (I tried giving it a book).

LotI2-Steelhive-Auto-Save6.gz

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[Cart84]

Agree that the Phantoms are the big winner from the Undead update, they're a frailer, stronger version of the Scythemaster but with their insane mobility their frailty feels like it doesn't matter as they can just flee combat. I combine mine with Lilith's Charge and Stormgrip, and because of the teleport they can use strong items that drop Movement really well.

I also noticed my Phantoms losing the teleport ability but couldn't figure out why, guess that explains how it occurred as well.

[masterpace]

Another two bugs I noticed:
"Pierce" weapon special does not actually reduce damage at all
Mario from part 1 can no longer advance into a seargent

[dwarftough]

Mario from part 1 can no longer advance into a seargent

It seems it was specifically for the hard difficulty https://github.com/Dugy/Legend_of_the_I ... s/pull/747

Not sure it was worth it tbh

[masterpace]

Even before Mario required 5x the experience to level up, I used to find advancing him into a duke to be a bad investment, just because of how rare xp is and how hard it is to actually build an army of units.
Now that you can't even turn him into a duke, and it costs him thousands of xp to reach any meaningful level, I do not find it a good idea to touch him at all.

On a different point, I believe I have noticed one of the oldest bugs in the campaign and possibly one of the most gamebreaking ones in chapter 5. Once you get access to greater spells, every cast of a regular meteor attack (the soul eater one) is treated as a greater spell meteor. This means the following:
-no damage penalty is applied, while other explosives are penalized as usual
-damage to surrounding enemies is dealt whether the attack lands or not
-if it does land, extra damage is dealt
It doesn't matter if Efraim has never cast a spell before; as long as he has a meteor attack, he can bulldoze entire army camps with ease. I suggest renaming one of the meteor attacks to meteorite or greater meteor or something as an easy fix to this stupid bug.

[erddad]

I've always wanted to do a run where I give my leaders god-tier equipment but they can only summon a few elite soldiers, since that seems like a fun way to play after playing normally, but is that possible? Is there a way to cheat in large amounts of gems, or enable access to infinite gear, or so-on?

[shevegen]

I've recently been starting to play this campaign again. Been fun so far. My all-time favourite campaign is still
Legends of the Invincibles, but this one here is around #2 or #3 (there was another one I liked a lot but I
forgot the name ... that happens to old people ...) out of all campaigns ever created. Anyway.

It seems to me as if my units are much weaker than in older playthroughs. For instance, some weapons I
don't seem to find or the chance may be more rare now? Like the bow that allows you to hit then run away.
Not sure if something has changed balance-wise. It's ok-ish but one thing confuses me:

I tried to challenge Belzebub but lost, so far on 8 scenarios. Somehow none of my units can deal a lot of
damage to him. I remember this was different in the past, or perhaps I got worse as I got older.

Right now I am at the map where humans fight down mutant elves. The computer simulation takes quite
long so I am not paying attention and multitasking instead. When I returned, though, some of the leaders
give a speech. Would it be possible to add a timer for that? E. g. "after 2 minutes, continue to talk"?

Right now it seems to require user interaction but I'd like to let it run, say, 10 minutes in the background,
then I can resume placing my units. I don't want to watch how the computer moves actually. (I already
saw most of these in older playthroughs, right now I just want to make my time use more efficient.)

This is probably not super-important, but if it would be an easy choice, it would be nice to have this.
Perhaps that should be a general option, e. g. "max-delay between individual speeches". Right now
it seems we must click on the GUI, which I am not sure why is necessary 100% of the time. Probably
99% but not 100%. Anyway, it is still probably the longest campaign to finish playing, right?

[ZIM]

I've recently been starting to play this campaign again. Been fun so far. My all-time favourite campaign is still
Legends of the Invincibles, but this one here is around #2 or #3 (there was another one I liked a lot but I
forgot the name ... that happens to old people ...) out of all campaigns ever created. Anyway.

It seems to me as if my units are much weaker than in older playthroughs. For instance, some weapons I
don't seem to find or the chance may be more rare now? Like the bow that allows you to hit then run away.
Not sure if something has changed balance-wise. It's ok-ish but one thing confuses me:

I tried to challenge Belzebub but lost, so far on 8 scenarios. Somehow none of my units can deal a lot of
damage to him. I remember this was different in the past, or perhaps I got worse as I got older.

Right now I am at the map where humans fight down mutant elves. The computer simulation takes quite
long so I am not paying attention and multitasking instead. When I returned, though, some of the leaders
give a speech. Would it be possible to add a timer for that? E. g. "after 2 minutes, continue to talk"?

Right now it seems to require user interaction but I'd like to let it run, say, 10 minutes in the background,
then I can resume placing my units. I don't want to watch how the computer moves actually. (I already
saw most of these in older playthroughs, right now I just want to make my time use more efficient.)

This is probably not super-important, but if it would be an easy choice, it would be nice to have this.
Perhaps that should be a general option, e. g. "max-delay between individual speeches". Right now
it seems we must click on the GUI, which I am not sure why is necessary 100% of the time. Probably
99% but not 100%. Anyway, it is still probably the longest campaign to finish playing, right?

Hello, just trying to give my 2 cents, I think the reason you're not getting the bow is just because there're more items than when you started playing, so the item pool get diluted

beelzebub had high resistance, so you may need some units that have penetrate on their weapon, or abilities like conviction. Iirc Dugi tweaked how penetrate works, or something like that, perhaps that what made your units doesn't feel as strong as before. some of the abilities get changed though, like conviction, the ability that debuff all enemy resistances, got nerfed. It get split into two, so conviction only debuff magical resistances, and the new frail tide ability debuff physical resistance.

for fighting in huge maps with many enemies, I advice you set your acceleration speed to max, and turn on skip enemy moves and skip combat. GUI issues are not the domain of add-ons developer, I think if you can open a new issue in Wesnoth's github for that.

[shevegen]

Finally my units are strong enough to kill Belzebub; in particular that backstab hero
does crazy damage e. g. 17x5 or so; that is quite a lot for having to get to 200 damage
with Belzebub regenerating 40 per rounds.

I noticed a small bug IMO, in the cave when the items drop when Belzebub dies, some items are
also dropped in inaccessible areas e. g. cave walls where no unit can go. I am not sure if
it is easy and worth to fix, actually, as it seems fairly minor - but perhaps in the code that places items,
either it could disregard such tiles and move on to the next tile, or instead place the item on the last tile
that was valid (e. g. cave walls and holes/craters/canyons that are inaccessible, should
not be valid targets, anything else can be valid; not sure if WML specifies this or not). I saw tasty
glowing boots but could not reach them as they were on top of a cave wall.

[shevegen]

I progressed quite a bit, however had I am now at Castle of the Wicked.

I think I played this one before and had similar problems.

I remember that having the skirmisher ability here helps, but for some reason I was unable
to get some item with full skirmisher. I tried this scenario a few time, but I gave up - the
enemy units block the paths quite efficiently. There are doppelgangers but they die
quite quickly so they are not of much help. I understand we can lure them into the light,
but for some reason this did not work well for me and they just now block with multiple
units all paths. Nothing to be done here - this is an unbeatable scenario for me.

I stopped playing LotI after being unable to finish this scenario. It would help if a single
unit could come along with the leader hero; for some reason the hero is super-weak - he
is not easily killed but the damage he outputs is a total joke, melee 0x4 yikes, and even
4x4 with slow and horrid does absolutely nothing against those +70 hp enemy units of
which there seem to be like 30.

I think I pointed that out before too. Perhaps we can bring in one unit?

I have pimped up an elven juggernaut, the guy is a beast, 15x7 with slow and drain in
melee and I probably could have even made him stronger (I forgot a LOT compared
to when I first played through LotI). Alternatively perhaps it could be made easier
to pass through that damn castle or more rounds used. Or, even better, if
this scenario could be removed, because it is by far the most unfun one. I much
more prefer direct battles, even against several opponents.

[WarDead0]

Hello, this is my first post. I've been playing Wesnoth for the past 6 months after my brother found a 15 year old CD on the roadside with this game on it.

I noticed a small bug IMO, in the cave when the items drop when Belzebub dies, some items are also dropped in inaccessible areas

It's a bit odd but such items are automatically collected at the end of the scenario. Also, your units seems way too weak - aren't you equipping any items? For reference I have attached my replay, I was doing a bit of XP harvesting and not rushing to the end. Also note that no unit has any defense against lighting so give your boss-killers that ability (if you find a stormgrip or whatever weapon) - see also my Bloodbath replay below. I think Efraim had a Flame Sword (+7) or something like that, along with some other boosting, and could kill the guards in two attacks - but there were three Efraims. First time I played I got stuck on the east side too, then I also noticed the static guards don't attack until they see you. So I initially parked in the lit area just to the NW and got the moving targets then lured the stationary (mostly for XP).

And some general comments on LotI
As I was doing this campaign I read up what I had to do and lots of comments were about getting Mario to Duke because that is super. He did have to kill Beelzebub twice but it is a waste of time IMHO, which I now see others have comments on too. I've rarely used Leadership much as it means your units have to move together and by that stage I mostly had level 4 or 5 units anyway. Parry is ok I guess but a Champion has that too (level 4 Fencer). I decided to advance one as I thought they might be good for something and I think we're given a loyal one. I don't normally play them, they are annoying to play against due to skirmish but that would mean half the time leaving them vulnerable behind lines so I prefer something to just kill the enemy head-on. Anyway, he killed Beelzebub in one attack (full of nifty equipment from when Mario destroyed him twice before) - see below.

I think Legend of the Invincibles is pretty good with the RPG & equipment element not found in regular scenarios but I don't like it how often you start a new map separated from the previous one and you have to go back and equip special items for one character or unequip all items from everyone, which is time consuming and really annoying if it happened several maps back and having to play them again, especially the disjointed one where you play Efraim and Lethalia alternatively (I didn't recall a healer when with Efraim when I could have used one [got away with it because I had an Eagle Cactus]) then when it switched to Lethalia I was overrun with druids.

BTW I was really lucky and found a Storm Trident on the first screen and gave it to a Pikeman (who I was lucky enough to get loyal). Unsurprisingly he had advanced to a Halberdier by the end of the second map I think. As can be seen in the replay he is pretty good at killing a lot of nasty people who have surrounded him.

Beelzebub

Spoiler:

I think the logic is wrong as to when it appears. It even states somewhere that Beelzebub is not good at chasing you but the faster you complete scenarios (the more turns you save/finish early) the more frequently the appearance. So by playing well the demon can chase you faster? So then by playing well you also get to collect a whole lot of loot allowing you to play even faster so likely increasing the frequency of return. I think it should be because Beelzebub is slow, the longer you take the more likely an appearance. This would also make it so that if you are struggling you are more likely to get the cool items early and if you are breezing through you don't really need the stuff anyway. So if you don't get lucky early (like finding a Storm Trident on the first scenario) you then get the help you need.

Also Beelzebub threatens to come back even stronger but always seems the same to me.

Where the Sun Does not Shine
This can be played a couple of ways...

Spoiler:

Two methods involve getting a bunch of zombie bats, send them west through the gap and collect all the villages. When you have all the villages your income is huge so you could have Lethalia farming bats at their spawn point (amazing what items a bat sometimes carries) and wait. Send Argan through to the end near where the leech is with at least half a dozen walking corpses. Undead don't trigger the Lich to start recruiting so you can walk right up, put Argan on hex away and using his leadership attack with corpses. Hopefully the bats get killed with each attack so you can send all your bats in at once but sometimes your injured bats block more attacks. From memory the bats do 2×10 damage (with the leadership) so it is quite easy to kill the leech with bats alone. You could give Argan some XP by actually killing the wounded leech but he is another character you don't get to keep so essentially wasting XP (although giving it to a bat is wasting it too). So you can either wait this one out for gold, XP and a few dropped items or rushing in for the quick kill with undead to prompt Beelzebub to come earlier.

The other option is to just rush through with your leader and recall your experienced units to farm the XP of mid level undead being sent by the lich.

Bloodbath

Spoiler:

I read on the wiki that this is a virtually impossible scenario to "win" (I know some of the info there is a bit dated but mostly a very worthwhile guide). So it was another one of those cases where specialist equipment was needed, which I had, but I required me to go back to the previous scenario and equip Lethalia (the killer of most) on the last turn with my fastest items. With the help of all the speed advancements I could get her to the first boss (Grand Marshall) in two moves. As I was then in a castle I got her to take her clothes off and put on her fighting uniform, which gave her a 44×8 faerie fire. Yep that knocked the first guy over in one attack so might as well pick up his item and go off and kill Malok the Wizard and take his loot then wack Haldric on the head for being a naughty boy. Haldric didn't die in one hit (he has twice as many HP) but I didn't want to kill him as there was a Beelzebub monument to activate as well.

I tried Beelzebub with my Champion Connor and was surprised the beast went down in the one attack even though I had another two able soldiers in waiting. I was sort of wasting time at the end so I could get my units to Beelzebub but noticed how hard those enemy recruits were to hit, don't like that (was the case with the elvish antagonist in a previous chapter too).

Some details here how this can be beaten on the first turn:
Lethalia needs to be fairly quick
Lethalia needs to have a powerful offense - could possibly be done with a weapon (like an axe with bonuses) but why bother when she has a ×8 faerie fire
You need 4 Greater Healing Potions to reset Lethalia and make 4 attacks in the first turn (you can do it on the second turn with only 3 potions)
Some unit types have few attacks with large damage, these do really well with items that give +1 attacks (like Skelly and Scythemaster)