mesilliac's terrain graphics thread

[mog]

Hmmm... maybe I should resurrect my idea of "overlay only" terrains (see http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... a&start=60). Then we could simply draw cliffs over any kind of base terrain.

The code should still be in the old terrain-layer branch, I think I'll try to port it to the current codebase.

[Aethaeryn]

Come to think of it... just making a new base terrain for the cliffs would probably be ok. "rocky grass" and "snowy rocks" would fit almost everywhere, and the cliffs could be an overlay on top of that. Cliffs would need an additional snowy version anyway. Hmmmmmm...

Don't forget desert too. There are enough desert tiles to be its own set...

[mesilliac]

Hmmm... maybe I should resurrect my idea of "overlay only" terrains (see http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... a&start=60). Then we could simply draw cliffs over any kind of base terrain.

The code should still be in the old terrain-layer branch, I think I'll try to port it to the current codebase.

Please do this I want this functionality so bad!

I've wanted at various times all of:
* overlay which overrides base tile movement/defense with something new (e.g. forest, cliffs)
* overlay which combines movement/defense with base tile (e.g. bridge over swamp, bridge over water, etc)
* overlay which has no effect on movement/defense (e.g. grassland flowers, windmill)

Don't forget desert too. There are enough desert tiles to be its own set...

The tally so far is grass, snow, desert and perhaps cave .

You'd also need a cave version though. However! If you do the cliff edge as an overlay, it can easily be placed on arbitrary terrains in the terrain def file, just as hill/mountain villages are now (I think? ).

It's an overlay . But I've been thinking that each variation will probably need its own graphics anyway .

I added the opposite-facing cliffs. Really, using the chasm graphics is an ugly hack and there'll be no way to make it look good. The cliffs need original graphics drawn.

Current image tally for a cliff is 30. I'm thinking of adding images for cliffs branching off, but this would be another 30 or so images .

[Sangel]

It looks like some of Wesnoth's top minds are set on making this happen - awesome!

I understand this is a work in progress, but I thought I'd get a quick clarification on something. Currently, when a cliff falls between grass and water, there is some "bleedthrough" of grass onto the water. This results in a less-than-optimum transition. (See attached image - I've highlighted the areas where this happens).

Using the current systems, is there a way to prevent this from happening?
If not, using the proposed overlay system, is there a way to prevent this from happening?

I suspect you're way ahead of me on this one, but I thought I'd check, just to make sure it had been considered. Apart from that, I can't see any flaws at all in this proof of concept, which is very exciting.

[mog]

Using the current systems, is there a way to prevent this from happening?
If not, using the proposed overlay system, is there a way to prevent this from happening?

No, not really. That's what we've been discussing the last two pages. I *could* imagine special-casing some transitions (e.g for water), but in general it's (probably) not possible.

[AI]

You could make a transition for everything, but that kind of defeats the point of an overlay.

[JAP]

I guess cliffs like that would have a lot of rocks that has fallen of lying at the bottom.
Maybe a transition that is just rocks and transparent?
some pictures for insperation
http://www.marz-kreations.com/Photos/Ph ... Cliffs.jpg
http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/roy ... _coast.jpg
http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-25/col ... -cliff.jpg
http://www.jonathanstephens.com/england ... -Moher.jpg
http://www.ilankelman.org/galapagos/Gal ... Cliffs.jpg
http://www.canada-photos.com/data/media ... s_3196.jpg

[mog]

I just committed the support for overlay terrains. Check out my lastest posts here and/or have a look at the way wooden bridges work in current SVN.

[Jetrel]

/me hands mog and mesilliac cookies.

[Velensk]

I've got to ask, is there a way to get those cliffs to do anything, or would they only be decoration?

[mog]

I've got to ask, is there a way to get those cliffs to do anything, or would they only be decoration?

They would be a barrier for non-flying units.

[Velensk]

I've got to ask, is there a way to get those cliffs to do anything, or would they only be decoration?

They would be a barrier for non-flying units.

I express appreciation.

[Neoskel]

It would be cool if like giant spiders could climb cliffs too.

[AI]

I suspect that cliffs will be an alias of chasm, so you'd need to allow them to climb those too (which, unfortunately, also includes lava)

[mesilliac]

mog is my new hero.