Demonic (hell) faction
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Demonic (hell) faction
Sprites discussion:
http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0
Characteristics:
weaknesses: lack of armor (espeically piercing), lack of speed (like that of dwarves), lack of dodge (high probability of being hit), most units lack ranged attack.
strengths: strong phyisical attacks, very high health.
Units:
Fiends: very weak leaders (5%, 10%, 15%, 20%), possess ability to poison and slow enemies with their plague whips (hack?), at level 1 it's rather a weakling, at level 2 it can do piercing damage with a fork, and becomes a formidable melee fighter at level 4. <abilities: poison, plague>
Demons:
-Blade demons: basic melee unit with decent hack damage. <abilities: not working>
-Shadow demons: ability to nightstalk, at lvl 3 will darken the surrounding, like the opposite of the mage of light. <abilities: nightstalk, darken>
-Frost demons: ranged cold attack, with weaker melee. <abilities: not working>
Asuras: Not as powerful in strength compared to other demons but are quite well adapted to forest terrains. Forest moving units (slower than elves, still). <abilities: skirmisher, ambush>
Cerberus: brute monster, the size and teeth says it all. Downside being restricted at level 2. Mountain moving units. <abilities: pack fury-compromised>
Possible additional units:
witch->medusa and succubus
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Questions? Suggestions? Criticism? Ideas? All welcome.
http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0
Characteristics:
weaknesses: lack of armor (espeically piercing), lack of speed (like that of dwarves), lack of dodge (high probability of being hit), most units lack ranged attack.
strengths: strong phyisical attacks, very high health.
Units:
Fiends: very weak leaders (5%, 10%, 15%, 20%), possess ability to poison and slow enemies with their plague whips (hack?), at level 1 it's rather a weakling, at level 2 it can do piercing damage with a fork, and becomes a formidable melee fighter at level 4. <abilities: poison, plague>
Demons:
-Blade demons: basic melee unit with decent hack damage. <abilities: not working>
-Shadow demons: ability to nightstalk, at lvl 3 will darken the surrounding, like the opposite of the mage of light. <abilities: nightstalk, darken>
-Frost demons: ranged cold attack, with weaker melee. <abilities: not working>
Asuras: Not as powerful in strength compared to other demons but are quite well adapted to forest terrains. Forest moving units (slower than elves, still). <abilities: skirmisher, ambush>
Cerberus: brute monster, the size and teeth says it all. Downside being restricted at level 2. Mountain moving units. <abilities: pack fury-compromised>
Possible additional units:
witch->medusa and succubus
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Questions? Suggestions? Criticism? Ideas? All welcome.
Last edited by battlestar on May 31st, 2010, 8:04 am, edited 3 times in total.
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some nice stuff, but
* the hell hound is too large to be lvl 1. i suggest putting the current hell hound image to cerberos and making a smaller image for hell hound.
* green armor? on a demon? i would suggest metallic gray with partial team-color armor.(eg change the shoulder pad and belt to team color)
* i dont get what's on ice demon's back.
* the hell hound is too large to be lvl 1. i suggest putting the current hell hound image to cerberos and making a smaller image for hell hound.
* green armor? on a demon? i would suggest metallic gray with partial team-color armor.(eg change the shoulder pad and belt to team color)
* i dont get what's on ice demon's back.
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Agreed. Also, AFAIK being 3-headed is a cerberus-specific trait.Syntax_Error wrote:* the hell hound is too large to be lvl 1. i suggest putting the current hell hound image to cerberos and making a smaller image for hell hound.
I believe he has like a turtle-shell with icicles growing from it.Syntax_Error wrote:* i dont get what's on ice demon's back.
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good stuff so far
just some things mainly already mentioned
1. i dont think the demons should be all red... try to break up the colour a little... u could do this by making the shadow line a light or dark grey
2. these are demons right?? so maybe they could have like runes or something tattooed or naturally grown on their body... that would be cool
3. is it me or are the ferocious demons lacking a little facial menace??? frost demons are fine but the blade ones look as if they are reading the paper or something...but they're good nonetheless
4. as mentioned id get rid of the armour and go for a more natural body armour look or tone it down a bit
5. i would take the crystals of the lvl3 frost demon just cuz they look out of place... i really like the original idea but i dont think any demon, frost or not would like 50kg of spikes sticking out of their back
6. should the demons be squatting or should they be showing off their impressive troll sized physique??? i realise they are bending their knees but the lvl3 three looks like he's resting on his haunches... or is that how u want it??
7. and finally move the three headed dog to the cerberus... make the hellhound a single headed red or other coloured dog and move the 3 headed one to cerberus
good work so far... see if u can get them on the 1.2 downloads menu and ill play them.... finally someone has realised peoples' hunger to play as the abyssal slaves of the devil and kill all humans.......
just some things mainly already mentioned
1. i dont think the demons should be all red... try to break up the colour a little... u could do this by making the shadow line a light or dark grey
2. these are demons right?? so maybe they could have like runes or something tattooed or naturally grown on their body... that would be cool
3. is it me or are the ferocious demons lacking a little facial menace??? frost demons are fine but the blade ones look as if they are reading the paper or something...but they're good nonetheless
4. as mentioned id get rid of the armour and go for a more natural body armour look or tone it down a bit
5. i would take the crystals of the lvl3 frost demon just cuz they look out of place... i really like the original idea but i dont think any demon, frost or not would like 50kg of spikes sticking out of their back
6. should the demons be squatting or should they be showing off their impressive troll sized physique??? i realise they are bending their knees but the lvl3 three looks like he's resting on his haunches... or is that how u want it??
7. and finally move the three headed dog to the cerberus... make the hellhound a single headed red or other coloured dog and move the 3 headed one to cerberus
good work so far... see if u can get them on the 1.2 downloads menu and ill play them.... finally someone has realised peoples' hunger to play as the abyssal slaves of the devil and kill all humans.......
why are people douches?
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He's probably meant to. That's a not uncommon way to present imps.hunz wrote:The Imp looks a bit fat.
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For Syntax_Error's suggestions:
* Change the current hell hound to being cerberus, sounds good to me.
* Green armor... I originally wanted the armor to have a color instead of simply metallic color like all the other armors, and green just happens to be red's complimentary color and works the best, if there's a big issue about the armor color then I'll change it.
* Ice demon, yeah just as irrevenant said.
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for zeno's suggestions:
1. I don't quite get what you mean... break up the red on a single demon or as a race? As a race, there's 5 lines of demons as the picture demonstrated, two of which are red, one is blue, one is black, and the last one is green.
2. Agreed, but this would be pretty hard to do, I tried and didn't really work out, and they get kind of confused with shading and stuff.
3. lol. Hell's a boring place and reading news papers are their only past-time... I'll work on the eyes.
4. I can make the green greyer. Another thing occured to me is that the reason i made it green was to counter-balance the overwhelming red. As for the armor shapes... I guess this is a thing about my style. I like things to look a bit out of the ordinary and eye catching
5. Ice demons... although being ranged, still follows the main trait of trading in agility for power. Even though it's carrying ice around on its back, it has gotten used to it just as... say if i gained 20 pounds I'd still walk around like normal because my body would adapt to the new weight. The icicles are a good way to convey idea of ice... and that it being more powerful than frost demon imo.
6. Good point, I'll make it stand up.
7. Hell hound would be deep grey, gonna stay out of red this time
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The sprite thread is here in the art forum, which would have more current sprites and animation frames. I'm only updating the unit tree here of new units when they seem to have been accepted from the sprite thread.
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Oh, and, if someone would like to help me write unit descriptions/history, that would be great.
gracias.
* Change the current hell hound to being cerberus, sounds good to me.
* Green armor... I originally wanted the armor to have a color instead of simply metallic color like all the other armors, and green just happens to be red's complimentary color and works the best, if there's a big issue about the armor color then I'll change it.
* Ice demon, yeah just as irrevenant said.
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for zeno's suggestions:
1. I don't quite get what you mean... break up the red on a single demon or as a race? As a race, there's 5 lines of demons as the picture demonstrated, two of which are red, one is blue, one is black, and the last one is green.
2. Agreed, but this would be pretty hard to do, I tried and didn't really work out, and they get kind of confused with shading and stuff.
3. lol. Hell's a boring place and reading news papers are their only past-time... I'll work on the eyes.
4. I can make the green greyer. Another thing occured to me is that the reason i made it green was to counter-balance the overwhelming red. As for the armor shapes... I guess this is a thing about my style. I like things to look a bit out of the ordinary and eye catching

5. Ice demons... although being ranged, still follows the main trait of trading in agility for power. Even though it's carrying ice around on its back, it has gotten used to it just as... say if i gained 20 pounds I'd still walk around like normal because my body would adapt to the new weight. The icicles are a good way to convey idea of ice... and that it being more powerful than frost demon imo.
6. Good point, I'll make it stand up.
7. Hell hound would be deep grey, gonna stay out of red this time

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The sprite thread is here in the art forum, which would have more current sprites and animation frames. I'm only updating the unit tree here of new units when they seem to have been accepted from the sprite thread.
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Oh, and, if someone would like to help me write unit descriptions/history, that would be great.
gracias.
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Prelude <Eternity>
It was a time of turmoil, famines were breaking out everywhere. There is a small village near wesnoth's eastern borders, and this is where the story began. The village was attacked and looted by brigands. It was razed to the ground, many villagers lost their lives in the raid. Among which, a little girl was hanging onto her last breath in her father's arms. The father was in his deepest sorrows and screamed that he'd trade anything for his little girl's life. A flicker in the flames and the devil appeared before the father. It speaks: "Sell your soul to me, and I shall grant your wish." The man signed away his soul to the devil, in blood, for his little girl. The girl received immortality from the devil.
Thirty years have passed, the father have became an old man. However, his daughter still retained the features of a fourteen year old, her age when she was granted a new life. All her past companions have already became grownups, and she was looked at by everyone with strange expressions. She was lonely. She yearned to grow up, and she hated and blamed her father for her eternal life.
The time has finally come for the devil to come to take away her father. It appeared in a flicker of light and ran its claws through the man's heart. The soul was torn from the man's body. Then the devil noticed the little girl standing close by, watching all this with a cold face. From her, the devil senses a mysterious and familiar power. "Oh dear mr. devil, I have a request to make." Says the little girl. The devil looks at her, "speak, my dear." "I would like to grow up." "That is not within my power, little girl." The devil paused for a second, "but I know a way. You will need the Gem of Yang. Retrieve it and I shall grant you your wish!" "Deal," says the girl. "The gem is protected by within an ancient temple in the heart of Wesnoth. I shall lend you my army of hell for this purpose."
-end prelude-
Chapter I <Gem of Yang>
3 maps
story coming later...
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Oh, and, if someone can think of something interesting, please do post it, if it's good I'll either work it into this story or switch it for a better story.
It was a time of turmoil, famines were breaking out everywhere. There is a small village near wesnoth's eastern borders, and this is where the story began. The village was attacked and looted by brigands. It was razed to the ground, many villagers lost their lives in the raid. Among which, a little girl was hanging onto her last breath in her father's arms. The father was in his deepest sorrows and screamed that he'd trade anything for his little girl's life. A flicker in the flames and the devil appeared before the father. It speaks: "Sell your soul to me, and I shall grant your wish." The man signed away his soul to the devil, in blood, for his little girl. The girl received immortality from the devil.
Thirty years have passed, the father have became an old man. However, his daughter still retained the features of a fourteen year old, her age when she was granted a new life. All her past companions have already became grownups, and she was looked at by everyone with strange expressions. She was lonely. She yearned to grow up, and she hated and blamed her father for her eternal life.
The time has finally come for the devil to come to take away her father. It appeared in a flicker of light and ran its claws through the man's heart. The soul was torn from the man's body. Then the devil noticed the little girl standing close by, watching all this with a cold face. From her, the devil senses a mysterious and familiar power. "Oh dear mr. devil, I have a request to make." Says the little girl. The devil looks at her, "speak, my dear." "I would like to grow up." "That is not within my power, little girl." The devil paused for a second, "but I know a way. You will need the Gem of Yang. Retrieve it and I shall grant you your wish!" "Deal," says the girl. "The gem is protected by within an ancient temple in the heart of Wesnoth. I shall lend you my army of hell for this purpose."
-end prelude-
Chapter I <Gem of Yang>
3 maps
story coming later...
======================
Oh, and, if someone can think of something interesting, please do post it, if it's good I'll either work it into this story or switch it for a better story.
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ty for your input. The story will later reveal that the devil was looking for such an opportunity for an entirely different purpose, and it may seem somewhat the other way around that this happened so conveniently for the devil. Chapter II will probably explain the story behind it 
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Chapter I <Gem of Yang>
After given command of the army from hell, the girl cut through the land of wesnoth in search for the Gem of Yang. She attacked a nearby outpost in order to obtain a detailed map of the country, for the location of the temple.
The active demonic activities and monstrous atrocities committed by the hell legion have alarmed the priests across the land. Lords and clans from all over the country gathered, to stop the hellish army in its tracks.
Despite all the efforts, the little girl and her army was not to overcome. Her road to the ancient temple was paved with bloods of brave souls who dared to defy the powers of the underworld. Even the holy temple was no match.
Within the ruins of the ancient temple, smoldering with hellfire, the little girl finally has the Gem of Yang within her grasp, when. When the earth trembled and from its cracks the devil came forth, and it took the Gem of Yang. It turned its dreadful eyes towards the girl, and said, "you have been a good girl, now, hand over the Gem of Yin to me!" The girl was startled, "Gem of Yin? Where, where?" "It is concealed within you! With the Gem of Yin, Gem of Yang united, finally the ultimate power I yearned for so long! And with it, the world shall be mine! Not even the forces of heaven can stand in my way!" The devil let out an atrocious laughter. "Protect me my minions!" The girl screamed at her army. The devil sneered. Not only the demons in the army not protect her, they turned on her. She was trapped by her own army. "You're too naive, my dear," says the devil, "they were always MY royal servants." "You hate your eternal life, don't you? The Gem of Yin within you is the cause." The devil continues, "now, I shall be doing you a favor by ending it for you!" The girl crumbles before the devil and speaks no more. Her will to live have already faded from her eyes.
Chapter II <Prince of Hell>
4 maps
story coming later...

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Chapter I <Gem of Yang>
After given command of the army from hell, the girl cut through the land of wesnoth in search for the Gem of Yang. She attacked a nearby outpost in order to obtain a detailed map of the country, for the location of the temple.
The active demonic activities and monstrous atrocities committed by the hell legion have alarmed the priests across the land. Lords and clans from all over the country gathered, to stop the hellish army in its tracks.
Despite all the efforts, the little girl and her army was not to overcome. Her road to the ancient temple was paved with bloods of brave souls who dared to defy the powers of the underworld. Even the holy temple was no match.
Within the ruins of the ancient temple, smoldering with hellfire, the little girl finally has the Gem of Yang within her grasp, when. When the earth trembled and from its cracks the devil came forth, and it took the Gem of Yang. It turned its dreadful eyes towards the girl, and said, "you have been a good girl, now, hand over the Gem of Yin to me!" The girl was startled, "Gem of Yin? Where, where?" "It is concealed within you! With the Gem of Yin, Gem of Yang united, finally the ultimate power I yearned for so long! And with it, the world shall be mine! Not even the forces of heaven can stand in my way!" The devil let out an atrocious laughter. "Protect me my minions!" The girl screamed at her army. The devil sneered. Not only the demons in the army not protect her, they turned on her. She was trapped by her own army. "You're too naive, my dear," says the devil, "they were always MY royal servants." "You hate your eternal life, don't you? The Gem of Yin within you is the cause." The devil continues, "now, I shall be doing you a favor by ending it for you!" The girl crumbles before the devil and speaks no more. Her will to live have already faded from her eyes.
Chapter II <Prince of Hell>
4 maps
story coming later...
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Don't kill her off - leave her alive, so she can come back as the Devil's nemesis later on.
Maybe the Gem of Yin, as well as 'balancing' the Gem of Yang, also served to counterbalance some opposite (anti-Demonic, i.e. holy) power within the girl herself? With the removal of the gem, she becomes mortal - but now there is nothing to negate the strange power she holds.
An idea for why the Devil 'just appeared' - maybe the girl's father was a dead man, who had been allowed to return to Earth/Wesnoth to live a second life? The Devil allowed this, knowing that the resurrected man would have a daughter who would later be valuable to Him, and that when he (the father) died again, he would return to Hell once more, and this time remain there forever.
Maybe the Gem of Yin, as well as 'balancing' the Gem of Yang, also served to counterbalance some opposite (anti-Demonic, i.e. holy) power within the girl herself? With the removal of the gem, she becomes mortal - but now there is nothing to negate the strange power she holds.
An idea for why the Devil 'just appeared' - maybe the girl's father was a dead man, who had been allowed to return to Earth/Wesnoth to live a second life? The Devil allowed this, knowing that the resurrected man would have a daughter who would later be valuable to Him, and that when he (the father) died again, he would return to Hell once more, and this time remain there forever.
I don't exist when you don't see me...
I don't exist when you're not here.
You bought a mask - I put it on.
You never thought to ask me if I wear it when you're gone.
I don't exist when you're not here.
You bought a mask - I put it on.
You never thought to ask me if I wear it when you're gone.
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Forgot to mention, the player plays as the girl, she is one of the two main characters, so she's definitely the last one to actually die
There's a break between chapter I and chapter II, from chapter II player has to rebuild all the units since the original army betrayed her.
Interesting idea about her holding unawakened holy powers, that can definitely help adding more twists for later on. Although the theory goes that since she was killed in the first place, by removing the gem she'll die right away. That's why the devil tries to convince her to die so the gem can be retrieved easier. But it can be utilized in a way that the gem has to be removed without her dying somehow in order to defeat the devil.
Wonder if there's a way in XML to copy the unit name/type/etc of player recruited units and summon a replica of the unit for the enemy.

There's a break between chapter I and chapter II, from chapter II player has to rebuild all the units since the original army betrayed her.
Interesting idea about her holding unawakened holy powers, that can definitely help adding more twists for later on. Although the theory goes that since she was killed in the first place, by removing the gem she'll die right away. That's why the devil tries to convince her to die so the gem can be retrieved easier. But it can be utilized in a way that the gem has to be removed without her dying somehow in order to defeat the devil.
Wonder if there's a way in XML to copy the unit name/type/etc of player recruited units and summon a replica of the unit for the enemy.
The will to live has already faded from her eyes.The devil triumphantly removes the gem from the girl using dark rituals.He leaves the girl, broken, on the altar.And just as chaos begins to rule a loan demon escapes hell with a hastily wrapped parcel.
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