Ka'Lian role in elvish society

[holypaladin]

Ka'Lian is considered as council of lords and ladies of the forests that gather together on important meetings. Rise of Wesnoth shows 4 such rulers (Lord Logalmier, Lord Aryad, Lord Isomirith, Lady Dionli (would be nice to give them representations to the forests)). But after Legend of Wesmere Ka'Lian's role seems to be lost (rebels killed living ones and proclaimed Landar the only lord, then Kalenz became supreme leader and I don't remember much about Ka'Lian after this). In Heir to the Throne we have mentioned Ka'Lian, I suppose it's the elven council that debate on war with Asheviere, there we have elvish rulers but only from Wesmere and Lintanir. How much matters Ka'Lian in elvish society?

[redbeard2]

They have no role in the decisions made in The South Guard to isolate humans from the southern forest at the end of that campaign, it's just the local elves, so The Ka'Lian don't control all diplomacy, it would seem. In Winds of Fate we see Saleanna in her diary turn to black magic to try to punish Dionli who go onto the Ka'Lian, so there is at least one example of intrigue in terms of getting onto that council. We don't really know of other struggles to get onto it or what criteria are used to be appointed (elected?). It's not entirely clear if the appointments are lifetime, they probably are...

[Gothyoba]

They have no role in the decisions made in The South Guard to isolate humans from the southern forest at the end of that campaign, it's just the local elves, so The Ka'Lian don't control all diplomacy, it would seem. In Winds of Fate we see Saleanna in her diary turn to black magic to try to punish Dionli who go onto the Ka'Lian, so there is at least one example of intrigue in terms of getting onto that council. We don't really know of other struggles to get onto it or what criteria are used to be appointed (elected?). It's not entirely clear if the appointments are lifetime, they probably are...

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.

[redbeard2]

[/quote]

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.
[/quote]

I don’t remember if there are any explicit statements regarding the Ka’Lian’s jurisdiction, is it ever clearly stated?

[Gothyoba]

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.

I don’t remember if there are any explicit statements regarding the Ka’Lian’s jurisdiction, is it ever clearly stated?

Ther is the in-game encyclopedia:

The Wood Elves are separate from those of the north, and have only intermittent relations with them and most other countries.

[holypaladin]

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.

In Heir to the Throne Aenthewood elves are somehow connected to Wesmere and Lintanir. Another thing to decide is if Ka'lian meet in Wesmere (as in TRoW, LoW) or Lintanir (HttT).

[Gothyoba]

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.

In Heir to the Throne Aenthewood elves are somehow connected to Wesmere and Lintanir. Another thing to decide is if Ka'lian meet in Wesmere (as in TRoW, LoW) or Lintanir (HttT).

I don’t think there is ever anything explicitely linking the two even in HttT. A suggestion for the Wesmere vs Lintanir problem is the Ka’lian might have been moved, perhaps due to a greater political importance of Lintanir among the elves.

[redbeard2]

Their lack of any role in TSG is because the Ka’lian is for northern elves, not southwestern elves.

In Heir to the Throne Aenthewood elves are somehow connected to Wesmere and Lintanir. Another thing to decide is if Ka'lian meet in Wesmere (as in TRoW, LoW) or Lintanir (HttT).

I don’t think there is ever anything explicitely linking the two even in HttT. A suggestion for the Wesmere vs Lintanir problem is the Ka’lian might have been moved, perhaps due to a greater political importance of Lintanir among the elves.

Is it true that the Ka'lian is in Lintanir? I parsed through Heir to the Throne's dialogue. There is only one place the Ka'lian is mentioned by name, at the end of the Elensafar mission:

Konrad: Delfador! So good to see you! Where have you been?

Delfador: I have been meeting with the Ka’lian, the Great Council of the Elves. This is Kalenz, a great lord of the Northern Elves who came to the Council to offer us the support of his people.

(Authorial Comment: See Legend of Wesmere; Kalenz is the former High Lord of the elves. At this time in 517 YW, he is probably a leader or legate of the elves of the Forest of Lintanir. None of this backstory existed when HttT was first written.)

Kalenz: Greetings, friend.

Konrad: Delfador, we have captured this city, but surely Asheviere’s men will come and attack us! What should we do?

Delfador: The Ka’lian has met and decided: we must capture the Sceptre of Fire.

In Senario 21, they call Elensiria the capital, but that may just be the capital of Lintanir, not all Elven-dom. They say it is an elvish council, but at no point do they identify themselves as the Ka'lian.

The other thing I would say against the Ka'lian being in Lintanir is how long Delfador would take to get there, have a meeting, and get back. I don't think he ever teleported, he wouldn't have had a griffin, so it would have taken an incredibly long time to make that journey. Wesmere, on the other hand, is far closer to where Konrad was at this point so the travel distance and time are much more reasonable.

Moreover, in the quote Kalenz is introduced as having come to the council (Ka'lian) to offer the support of his people. If it was in Lintanir, this statement wouldn't really make sense. Much more reasonable if he came to Wesmere to the Ka'lian, offering the support of the Lintanir Elves.

[holypaladin]

I guessed on Lintanir beacuse there's where the final council met but You reminded me correctly that before they met in Wesmere where also Chantal was taking part. Still it look a bit messed.