Facts of Funny and Ridiculous settings series.

[PhilipN]

And by the way, Mushroom Groves ARE groves of giant mushrooms, and mushrooms DO require decaying organic matter in real life.

Also, I would suggest that the Cuttlefish is not identical to the real-life cuttlefish of the same name, that doesn't have tentacles capable of killing humans and even tougher creatures. It is perfectly reasonable that the ink of a giant Wesnothian cuttlefish could be poisonous!

For those who doubt that ghosts should be weak against fire attacks, just look at the scene in Lord of the Rings where Aragorn fights the Nazgul.

And who says trolls are made of sheer rock? They're rock-like creatures, but they surely have joints and such...

[TheScribe]

For those who doubt that ghosts should be weak against fire attacks, just look at the scene in Lord of the Rings where Aragorn fights the Nazgul.

WINLOTR, but I agree with you. (I know you're just using it as an example)

And who says trolls are made of sheer rock? They're rock-like creatures, but they surely have joints and such...

I agree that they aren't made of rock. (they have thick rock looking skin, but they aren't stone)

[AxalaraFlame]

1. Nazgul does not die unless Saron dies...besides, wesnoth is not lord of rings. So anyway, ghosts fear fire, here they resists it simply for balance issues. What I was expecting to get is an explanation, not the bitchering of "nonono. they don't fear fire, for instance xxxghost vs xxxhero who uses fire"...some ados like that.

2. Mushroom Grove thing, well... Gotta work harder on botany, hm? Even if you are right, based on some part of knowledge out of my range, though I don't really concur based on common sense, IMO, the power of dead can make some effects like recharging the undead soldiers' vigor(restore hp per turn), but providing more dodge rate is not making much sense.

3. Who-T-F said trolls are MADE of rocks!? It is but a wording!!! They are but rock-born, just like humans are nearly made of water, drakes are nearly made of fire.

[Drakefriend]

About the Slurbow: The descriptions are not from an actual omniscient outside observer, but as a Wesnoth scholar would see them (see thundersticks).:"Obviously those stupid orc savages could never produce better crossbows than ours! They must be stolen!"
By the way, in a deviation from English fluff, the German translation actually credits the orcs for creating the Slurbow, or Kharrasch (said to be the Orc word for hammer), as it is called in the translation. I actually prefer this version to the original fluff.

Due to the high overall resistance and very low hitpoints of ghosts, a low resistance for fire is probably better than a vulnerabillity. And relative to all other resistances except arcane, it is very low.
If this is not sufficient: Fire consumes what little essence a ghost has, but being a physical phenomenon, it is still not as effective as the pure magic of arcane curses.

[TheScribe]

They are but rock-born, just like humans are nearly made of water

Where'd you get that idea? (not saying you're wrong, but rather wanting to know why you think that)

drakes are nearly made of fire

IIRC, drakes only have a small 'internal fire' that keeps them warm and allows them to breath fire, they aren't made of fire.

By the way, in a deviation from English fluff, the German translation actually credits the orcs for creating the Slurbow, or Kharrasch (said to be the Orc word for hammer), as it is called in the translation. I actually prefer this version to the original fluff.

I agree, that is better. I personally have always wanted that to be changed as such.

[PhilipN]

I only brought up the thing about trolls not being made of rock because someone earlier had made a point about trolls vs. HI based on their weight (using the density of rock as the trolls' density).

And while Wesnoth is not Lord of the Rings (or any other particular fantasy series/world), it borrows from many of them (for example, the Wesnoth devs clearly didn't invent the concept of a dwarf or elf), so I was looking to the only fantasy reference I've seen so far of someone attempting to use fire as a weapon to attack a spirit-enemy.

[PhilipN]

Another funny/ridiculous setting I thought of--

Why is the Cuttlefish's ink attack a "pierce" attack?

[Sapient]

because of the quill, I'd imagine

[AxalaraFlame]

About the Slurbow: The descriptions are not from an actual omniscient outside observer, but as a Wesnoth scholar would see them (see thundersticks).:"Obviously those stupid orc savages could never produce better crossbows than ours! They must be stolen!"
By the way, in a deviation from English fluff, the German translation actually credits the orcs for creating the Slurbow, or Kharrasch (said to be the Orc word for hammer), as it is called in the translation. I actually prefer this version to the original fluff.

Hmm, this is a rather interesting theory. You mean, the slurbow was initially designed by Germany creators, and was described as orcs' oringinal crafts?
If that is the case, I think we gotta to fix the translation; or not, slurbow is made by other races and orcs get it, that still don't make much difference.
Another branch logical problem induced by slurbow is, repeating crossbow should have greater speed in shooting than conventional bows. But humans shot faster than them, which is...hm

They are but rock-born, just like humans are nearly made of water
Where'd you get that idea? (not saying you're wrong, but rather wanting to know why you think that)


drakes are nearly made of fire
IIRC, drakes only have a small 'internal fire' that keeps them warm and allows them to breath fire, they aren't made of fire.

Forget these issues...I am done with this. I don't understand why do you guys obsessively dig with such a minor wording problem... They are BUT water-made, fire-made, rock-made...EVERYBODY know what does that mean, it is BUT a causual wording. Why, my dear Scribe, why the heck, FOR what reason, do you always stumble againt me? Just like I say the earth is a sphere, somebody is definetly gotta jump out and shout "NONONO! earth is actually more of a ellipsoid".

because of the quill

How does quill penetrate?

[TheScribe]

Why, my dear Scribe, why the heck, FOR what reason, do you always stumble againt me?

I really don't know where you got this idea. I didn't know why you thought Trolls were rock-born, but I didn't say you were wrong. I haven't been 'obsessively digging', or at least I didn't think I was. I was simply saying that drakes aren't 90% fire, like humans are with water. So, if I offended you in any way while I was trying to help you figure out why things are the way they are, I am deeply sorry. I had no intention of attacking you in any way.

How does quill penetrate?

It would act like a dart. (and I'm pretty sure he was joking...)

[AxalaraFlame]

and I'm pretty sure he was joking...

Good point

The ideas of "trolls are rock-born", was presented in the portraits at first, which are choosen and applied in wesnoth, IMO shows much difference with Lord of the Rings (in where trolls are gigantic monsters of flesh and blood); secondary, the culture of wesnoth, presented in many UMCs and mainline campaigns, accepted by many authors in their plots, that trolls are "dumb annoying rocks", gave me this idea.
I will get some examples sooner. hold on

[TheScribe]

That seems like a valid explanation about the trolls. (I guess they really embraced the 'dumb as rocks' statment on that one, eh?)

[AxalaraFlame]

Spoiler:

Trolls are ancient creatures, one of the oldest known races known to inhabit the Great Continent. They are large, slow, simple-minded, and live extremely long lives inside deep caves or atop high mountains. The most unique characteristic of trolls is an internal vitality that sustains and heals them from within. As a result they live very different lives from almost any known creature. Trolls have few real needs: they require little food or water, and thus they have little incentive to pursue much besides protection from those who are hostile towards them. This in turn means they rarely have to worry about anything and can spend much of their time sleeping or in contemplation. Trolls have a curious affinity with nature. They do not relate with living things like elves do, but instead with earth and stone. They are also somewhat curious of their surroundings and many younger whelps even enjoy traveling and seeing the world. As trolls grow older they tend to become increasingly passive, gradually losing interest in their environment and spending more of their time sleeping in a quiet, familiar corner of their home cave. This is until they finally pass away as their bodies themselves slowly turn into lifeless statues of stone.

Trolls are seen by many as being little more than yet another race of savage monsters. This common misconception is in part perpetuated by orcs to persuade trolls to join their armies. Because they are rather simple and do not understand the ways of other races or sometimes can even tell them apart, it is usually easy for an orcish band to convince a group of trolls that by joining them they get to exact revenge on those that have before hunted them. These new recruits are then directed to attack whoever the orcs themselves are currently in conflict with, whether previously a foe of the trolls or not, accumulating even more enemies for the misled trolls. The most common enemy of trolls are dwarves, and the animosity between these two races is ancient.

Though, it is not told precisely, and they only mentioned that they love stones, but such kind of creature which require little energy support, and die a stone, is rather stone-like and stone-related.

[TheScribe]

Makes sense to me.

[AxalaraFlame]

I got a new idea recently:
Troll whelp 11-2 42 hp, $16
HI 7-2 38hp $14
Not sure how would this work