Era of the Future Development

[Mirion147]

The third scenario didn't work for me, but the first two did.

All in all, it's a decent campaign. But some things don't make sense. I don't think the Welkin and dwarves would fight like that with a very small amount of confrontation, and I also don't think they'd chase them because of it. Also, the mermen are relatively honorable creatures, so I don't think they'd just say no you can't come and then attack them.


I think we should make a thread in the scenario & campaign development forum.


Now, I didn't get to past the second scenario, so I don't know if there was a specific reason you chose to do it the way you did, but here's some things that I thought should be changed:

First of all, I'd really appreciate no cursing. Also, If you're going to have accent, you need more of it then on just one word.[you may notice I don't have accent in the spoiler, that's only because I didn't feel like typing it all in.] Have the runemaster be a specific loyal character, that can't die, that get's turned into a wave rider or something. Have the Welkin be a specific enemy. [It's some random person you've never seen in the second scenario.] Give the mermen more of a reason to not allow the Brungar to stay, or make it naga instead. Have dialogue after you kill the Welkin Leader. After the last mermen leader is killed, he should tell the rest to leave before they meet the same fate as their fallen comrades.

WARNING: If you open this spoiler you will see a fully detailed dialogue rebuff:

Spoiler:

CHARACTERS: Narrator, Earadriendel, Captain, Gomatlos, Runesmith, Sister/wife, Enki (need names for captian and runemaster and sister/wife.)

Narrator: The Brungar, in ages past, were like all dwarves. They lived and mined the mountains, searched for precious jewels, and shiny metals, at least that's what the sages have said. But what happened to them? For what reason did they choose to live in the ocean? Well, their choice was thrust upon them...

Earadriendel: Dwarves of the mountain, we have come to you to ask that you would share your expansive mountain.

Gomatlos: Share it with who? you pointy-eared...and..winged creature? What are you anyway?

Captain:
we are the mighty Welkin, show us the respect we are due before I take my blade to your neck...*cough* If I could reach it

Runesmith: Oh, 'the might Weaklin' are you? Kind of an ironic name don't you think?

Captain: Not 'Weaklin' you half grown dog! Welk--

Earadriendel: Captain! Contain yourself. We have come here in seek of aid. The woods no longer hold any home for us. We seek mountains and the free air.

Runesmith: Lord, I don't like these fowl abominations. Let us kill them and be rid of them forever.

Gomatlos: Yes, I don't like them either. You there, Weklin or whatever you call
yourself. Go back to where you've come, or we'll send you to hell!

Earadriendel: I was hoping to avoid a confrontation, but you leave me no choice. Captain, assemble the Army of the Queen.

Runesmith: My liege, see how he has let his captain lead his armies? He must just be the diplomat, no battle sense. If we kill this captain of his, he just might flee.

Gomatlos: You may be right, focus all forces on that captian!

Objective: Defeat The captain.

[Then when the captain dies...]

Earadriendel: Captain! My Friend! Husband of my sister!

Gomatlos: Ut oh...

Earadriendel: You! I came here in peace, but you forced me to attack! And now you have killed my sister's husband! You will die for this!

Runesmith: We must flee!

Gomatlos:No, this is our home!

Runesmith: Lord, look at his armies! He will surely overwhelm us.

Gomatlos: Very well, we will fight for our home, but if the battle goes ill, then we shall go.

Objectives:Head for the sign post or defeat Eardriendel.

[If you go to the sign post then:]

Gomatlos: We may have been driven from our homes, but at least we'll live.

[or if you defeat Eardriendel:]


Sister/Wife: Dwarves! If you are still here that means that you have killed my mate and my brother! For that you will die!

Runesmith: My lord, with all of our casualties, we cannot possible hope to defeat another army. We must flee.

Gomatlas: Very well, we go.

Objective: Go to the sign post.

[When you get to the sign post:]

Gomatlos: We may have been driven from our homes, but at least we'll live.


Narrator: The dwarves soon arrived at a beach with the Welkin still pursuing them. They realized the only way they could escape the wrath of the Welkin was to hide beneath the waves of the ocean. Unfortunately the current inhabitants weren't exactly friendly. Obviously dwarves could not hope to hide in the water for long without running out of breath or sinking to the bottom of the sea, not normal dwarves anyway. That's why Gomalas had [Runesmith] transform them so they could live underwater. But [Runesmith]'s magic did more then expexted; not only did it transform the dwarves themselves, it also transformed their clothing, armor, and weapons. Thus the Brungar were created. They scrambled to learn how to use their new weapons before the Welkin arrived.

Gomatlos: Naga of the sea, we are being pursued by a race called the Welkin, we ask for shelter in your water.

Enki: What good are dwarvesess in water? You would only sink like the stones you mine.

Gomatlos: We are no ordinary dwarves, we can thrive in the sea. We could be a powerful ally if you would only let us pass.

Enki: Or a great prize! You cannot passs, You will die! We will hang your heads on spears and mount them on our battlements, all will fear the naga!

[Then depending on if Earadriendel is still alive or not]

Welkin Leader: Hah! You cannot escape us puny dwarves!

Gomatlos: Arg! The Welkin have arrived. [Runesmith], let's hope your magic holds true.

Objectives: Defeat Naga.
Special Bonus: Defeat [Welkin Leader]

[If you defeat [Welkin Leader]:]

Gomatlos: Hah! How is that for 'puny dwarves'!

[Then if you defeat the Naga after you defeat [Welkin Leader]:]

Gomatlos: Now, your leaders have been slain naga. Leave now or share their fate!

[Then the remaining naga leave..]

Gomatlos: Hurrah! Now we will rebuild and call this sea our home.

[Or if you just defeat the naga:]

Gomatlos: Quick, into the sea! Let these Welkin rot before they find us!

[Huston]

*sigh* so0rry about the swearing, i just wanted to hammer out a rough draft pretty much of the first few scenarios. and i am assuming you received the error about the third scenario after completing the one where they are at the ocean? that would be because i haven't made that scenario yet also what part of KISS didn't you understand from the campaign description i believe i said don't expect anything too fancy, and switching leaders upon one leader's death is Fancy. i don't know how to have someone take over as the leader of the side upon the previous leader's death. and that would require me to learn how to which i don't have time to do. The Dialog i will change though. sorry if i offend you mirion or anyone else i've had one of them FML weekends and it isn't even sunday yet.

[DanielF]

i have ubuntu. y do i need 2 save as a cfg?

yes. you must on all platforms.

[wesfreak]

shouldn't this go on a seperate thread for the campaign?

[Huston]

technically we can discuss the campaign here because it is part of the era of the future, and it is still under development, and this is the development thread so.... it's fine to discuss changes to it here. i'll probably make a thread for the campaign when it is complete.

[Mirion147]

What I said was more of a suggestion rather then something that needed to be followed. (you could make the leader a different team who didn't fight until the captain died.) I was just trying to make it a little more interesting, but if you want to keep it simple, that's fine, it is your campaign after all. And no worries, we all have bad weeks (myn ain't going so great either, so I understand.)

I do like the campaign so far though, I await the third scenario eagerly. .

[Huston]

well, the third scenario is now able to be coded now that the bugs are gone.so i will probably code it monday or tuesday, also is anyone working on the descriptions for the nordhris?

[Stromboli]

Do you guys still need any art contributions?

[Mirion147]

Yes, we still need several higher level sprites, like the Warlord, the Lionheart, the Snow Stiker and more.

Oh, and Huston, I'm working on making some of the Brungar descriptions longer, then when I finish with that I'll work on some of the Nordhris' descriptions since Turuk and Xandria seemed to have dissapeared.

[Huston]

added the next scenario, changed dialog, more than likely unbalanced

[Mirion147]

Huston, do you want me to just put the new descriptions in the code and upload that, or do you want me to just post the descriptions and you can put them in the code yourself. I'm not done with them yet or I would've posted them earlier, I mean for later this week.

also, I made an Ocean Apprentice sprite, didn't realize he didn't have one.

And the Undecided student should have the Thrown_Rock icon, or whatever it's called, it's in the mainline attacks.

And I made a blue, and slightly bigger then the mainline, trident, if you want I'll post it, if you don't think we need it then I wont bother though.

[Pentarctagon]

i had some (untested) ideas about powering down the brungar and welkin last night.
Brungar: reduce melee resistances to 10%, we could say that the water softened their skin or something. the water also makes traditional metal armor much less usable due to constant rusting.
Welkin: give the 3 units with wings an impact weakness, similar to other flying units (bats/griffons) and give the scout fire weakness, which could be explained by saying that the fire would be absorbed and amplified by the winds surrounding it.

[Huston]

Mirion: go ahead and post an update label it Era_of_the_Future_Dev_Version_1.56 yuou can add the decisions and anything else. post the update by sunday cause next week i'm adding a new scenario.

Pentarctagon, test them first please

[wesfreak]

maybe we could give most units 60% in snow and give the units that can hide (the one with nightstalk and the one that hides in snow) 70% in snow? Also, i think something closer to elusivefoot would be better for those same units, partly for variety and partly to make more sense.

Also, we should change defense on unwalkable for all movetypes to 10% because with high defense on unwalkable then units will use the better defense on bridges over void.

[Pentarctagon]

i tested out the changes for the welkin, here is what i came up with:
units
flurry: increase xp from 27 to 30.
movetypes
welkinflurry:
pierce from 30% to 20%
impact from 10% to 0%
fire from 0% to -20%
welkinwing:
impact from 0% to -20%

what i noticed during the testing is that the flurry is really a key unit for the welkin due to its dodge and better than average resistances combined with its great mp. the xp was increased to 30 because it was leveling up too often, and the lvl2 forms are deadly no matter what (like bats, except actually powerful ).
the welkinwing movetype was given the -20% impact because they had no other weaknesses and pierce is one of the more common weapon types (they have +10% pierce).

maybe we could give most units 60% in snow and give the units that can hide (the one with nightstalk and the one that hides in snow) 70% in snow? Also, i think something closer to elusivefoot would be better for those same units, partly for variety and partly to make more sense.

sounds good to me.