[Historical] Legend of Wesmere (add-on version)

[AI]

Yes, but the [disallow_recruit] didn't include the Berserker, so it stayed recruitable afterwards.

[michote]

Have you been able to win and enjoy scenario 16 "The King must die" without cheating?

not really,
I had to save and relaod somethimes to get Landar alive
but I only played it with rhe recruition error

I like the Berserkers but it's a bit too easy with them.
I only needed 5 rounds to win the Northern Battle.

In End of war Landar has 71/29 HP and he's level 1

[fabi]

The idea was that once Olurf joins you(after the first council scenario), you can recruit any dwarvish unit he can and that includes berzerkers. It also rhymes well with the comic relief dialog with Landar in Elves Last Stand when Olurf arrives and mentions the drinks, which "explains why they're so recless in battle".
That said, in my experience berserkers are NOT useful in this campaign;
there are no pinch points that you need to break through. Still I usually favor giving the user the choice, which among other things means one can learn from one's mistakes and learn what units to choose in given situations.
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Santi, to be sure I ask you again.
You want the player to be able to recruit Dwarfish Ulfsekers (level 1) and Dwarfish Berserkers (level 2) along with the other two Dwarfish Units
as long as Olurf stays with the party?

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Have you been able to win and enjoy scenario 16 "The King must die" without cheating?

not really,
I had to save and relaod somethimes to get Landar alive
but I only played it with rhe recruition error

Wasn't the recruition error in scenario 21?
Did the orcs ignore the invisible heroes or did the ai go straight after them?

Fabi

[michote]

Wasn't the recruition error in scenario 21?

yes, there too.
but in 16 the black and the brown ork didn't recruit anything

Did the orcs ignore the invisible heroes or did the ai go straight after them?

as I wrote: the Gobblin Knight got me every round.
they went straight after me.

[fabi]

Wasn't the recruition error in scenario 21?

yes, there too.
but in 16 the black and the brown ork didn't recruit anything

Did the orcs ignore the invisible heroes or did the ai go straight after them?

as I wrote: the Gobblin Knight got me every round.
they went straight after me.

I don't understand this.
Some units like the Gobblin Knight seem to ignore the [hidden] ability on which the invisibility potion is based.
I can't see a problem with the wml here. If no one has a better idea I will fill a bug report for wesnoth at gna about it.

Fabi

[santi]

Fabi, yes, although it is a bad idea to use ulfs and berserkers , I'd rather they are recruitable as long as Olurf is with the elves.

[michote]

I finished the campaign now.

There are once again recruition errors:

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Shadows in the night:
recruition error: no scouts and mixed fighters
save the king
recruition error: no scouts

or is this for testing too?

I tested the King must die once again.
and they get me when they can reach me.
even Landar who is an Elvish Archer and should be invisible for them in the forrest.

[fabi]

I finished the campaign now.

There are once again recruition errors:

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Shadows in the night:
recruition error: no scouts and mixed fighters
save the king
recruition error: no scouts

or is this for testing too?

I tested the King must die once again.
and they get me when they can reach me.
even Landar who is an Elvish Archer and should be invisible for them in the forrest.

No, the recruit warnings are not for testing. I will fix them. Thank you for the report.
On which difficulty level did you finish the campaign on?
Did your expectations of the chosen difficult level match the game experience?

Greetings, Fabi

[michote]

I played on medium.
I think the last scenarios are too easy,
comparing too "the elves last stand" and something like that.
In "northern battle" and "end of war" I had some berserkers but rarely used them.
I had 2 Syph, 3 shyde, 2 champion, a avenger, a outrider and some minor units,
because I ony save my loyal units. So it was very easy to reach Landars camp, making him retread.
Also in "Shadows" when Delfador apeared I was Killig the last undead Leader
Maybe you could use a Map with more swamp here its really hard to kill elves with al lot of holy water in the forrest

But I really like this campaign if the hidden bug in the king must die is fixed i will play it on hard once again

many thanks for your work

[santi]

Michote wrote:

I played on medium.
I think the last scenarios are too easy,
comparing too "the elves last stand" and something like that.

Again, thanks for the report. Balancing is generally hard because when we make a small change, this can affect a lot. Previously it was only the
Prince of Wesnoth scenario that was too easy. Hero's Return was well balanced and Save the King was almost a cliffhanger.

In "northern battle" and "end of war" I had some berserkers but rarely used them.

You should not have them; this will be fixed.

I had 2 Syph, 3 shyde, 2 champion, a avenger, a outrider and some minor units,
because I ony save my loyal units. So it was very easy to reach Landars camp, making him retread.

You mean Northern Battle. Maybe this will be made a bit harder; Landar's army concentrates on the North elves; distances are large and terrain is not favorable to elves. But this is partly intended because landar is now so sure and so arrogant that he thinks his followers(Crintil) can deal with Kalenz. It might be interesting to program the AI to target Kalenz first; then Kalenz beats Crintil and retreats to the forest and it will be a long fight considering the elves's defence in forests. Initially I decided against this possibiity because the North elves have many more villages and hence will outlast Landar.

Also in "Shadows" when Delfador apeared I was Killig the last undead Leader
Maybe you could use a Map with more swamp here its really hard to kill elves with al lot of holy water in the forrest

Then I guess medium is still unbalanced. Some time ago there was a report by a user who managed to kill all undeads before Delf appeared, but that was on easy. Since then the scenario was hardened but only with respect to the eastern leader. So, which undead eader were you killing last?

But I really like this campaign if the hidden bug in the king must die is fixed i will play it on hard once again

Thanks.

[santi]

Does anyone understand these warnings?
20080917 00:12:38 error ai: AI tried to skirmish with non-skirmisher
20080917 00:13:50 error config: Unit with -7 hitpoints found, set to 0 for damage calculations

[fabi]

New version is available on the wesnoth 1.5.x add-on server.

Enjoy!

[michote]

So, which undead eader were you killing last?

I first killed the eastern, than the western and the southern when Delfador appeared

[santi]

ok, I had assumed western would be killed last. So we also need to give some extra traps for the others too.

In playtesting I finished the 3rd scenario with a lot of gold on hard. I wonder if there is a way in the scenario files to say: enemy X should have 150% of what the player has; that way it should be easier to balance and adaptive to
the players level instead of fixed.

[fabi]

ok, I had assumed western would be killed last. So we also need to give some extra traps for the others too.

In playtesting I finished the 3rd scenario with a lot of gold on hard. I wonder if there is a way in the scenario files to say: enemy X should have 150% of what the player has; that way it should be easier to balance and adaptive to
the players level instead of fixed.

Santi, we can save the amount of gold the player owns in a variable, multiply it by 1.5 and set the ai's gold to that amount.

Fabi