New Stone Path Tile

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » June 15th, 2007, 10:32 pm

yes, the faux-perspective is about right now.

and the comments about the color are right on,
make the actual stones less greenish, instead over to the brown or grey side.

It's OK, if they don't have quite the definition/sharpness of the old stone road. The old one is a little too sharp for the rest of the terrain.

Woodwizzle · Post by **Woodwizzle** » June 16th, 2007, 3:58 am

I like it quite a bit. I hope it is used to supplement the original road tiles and not replace it. The idea of elven roads in elven towns, human roads in human towns etc is a great one.

Post by **Jetrel** » June 16th, 2007, 8:45 am

The perspective change that you've applied is great - please propagate it to the rest of the tiles, and post a .zip of them, so we can try these out in-game.

As for the color issue, it might be slightly too green, but not quite as much as, say, Darth Fool suspects. In a heavily intergrown set of stone slabs - one with lots of foliage growing between the actual stones, there would be some 30-40% of the illumination on the stone faces that would have a strong green cast to it; either by being filtered through the leaves of a plant, or by bouncing off the leaves of a plant before hitting the stone and bouncing into the eye.

It would actually look slightly wrong if it were pure white/grey.

Art Fallacy #whatever is that objects have inherent colors, and cannot deviate much from these in a final drawing. In reality, even matte surfaces, such as the bark of a tree, can be transformed into radically different colors, like sky blue, or hot pink, if you just apply the right lighting; and some of them which seem unreasonable (like sky blue) are actually very common. It takes a bit of unlearning to notice and predict this - one of the reasons is that our brains will, at first glance, register the environmentally recolored objects as their "inherent" color - in the same way that light grey objects in shadow (with lower absolute luminosities) will be perceived as brighter than dark grey objects in light (with higher absolute luminosities). This preprocessing and categorization on the part of our brain is the basis of a number of optical illusions.

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » June 16th, 2007, 2:55 pm

Jetryl wrote:As for the color issue, it might be slightly too green, but not quite as much as, say, Darth Fool suspects. In a heavily intergrown set of stone slabs - one with lots of foliage growing between the actual stones, there would be some 30-40% of the illumination on the stone faces that would have a strong green cast to it; either by being filtered through the leaves of a plant, or by bouncing off the leaves of a plant before hitting the stone and bouncing into the eye.

It would actually look slightly wrong if it were pure white/grey.

Where have you (or anyone else) applied such an extreme color-bleed in Wesnoth terrain or unit graphics?

While it's true under certain conditions (especially if the light is shining through the grass) the green will get spread around. The bolded sections above are large exaggerations. In noon-ish lighting there would be no green in the sunlit parts, and the shadow from the grass would be much the same as the shadow from dead brown grass.

Jetryl wrote:Art Fallacy #whatever is that objects have inherent colors, and cannot deviate much from these in a final drawing. In reality, even matte surfaces, such as the bark of a tree, can be transformed into radically different colors, like sky blue, or hot pink, if you just apply the right lighting; and some of them which seem unreasonable (like sky blue) are actually very common.

Sure lots of color gets bounced around. When painting i liked to exaggerate that effect, and emphasize the bluish-purple of many shadows.
But we're making tiles here. These tiles need to work as morn, noon and night. Such lighting tricks need to be included only subtly (if at all) or else the main light source will be noticeably different. And that would be obviously wrong.[/b]

ael193 · Post by **ael193** » June 16th, 2007, 5:24 pm

i like it , it would be good for a new road type or elven keep floor, it should be a little less,gree, not like the human road, but more like weathered white stone.

Raemon · Post by **Raemon** » June 16th, 2007, 7:57 pm

I like it. I think some of it should be a little greyer, though. Just a little. Like everyone else, so I suppose this post was pointless when it comes to new imput.

Post by **musketaquid** » June 18th, 2007, 12:28 pm

I tried to make it less green and not to white.
So that's how it look right now.
If you are patient, then i'll smoth out the pattern of the stones and making the transition tiles, because at the moment there are no transitions. But i'm posting the 4 tiles anyway, in hope you'll make use of them.

ael193 · Post by **ael193** » June 18th, 2007, 1:31 pm

that new version is pretty good

toms · Post by **toms** » June 18th, 2007, 2:16 pm

On the ne edge of the tile there seems to be some noise; please check it out.

Post by **Jetrel** » June 18th, 2007, 3:32 pm

It's looking a lot better - Eleazar should adjust the final versions of these to whatever coloration he deems fit; it might still be a little on the "too saturated" side, but I'm not sure.

Thanks a lot for working on this.

toms wrote:On the ne edge of the tile there seems to be some noise; please check it out.

Possibly - it's also possible that the jpg compression is introducing a lot of said noise as artifacts.

Post by **Iris** » June 18th, 2007, 3:38 pm

I can't notice the noise. Perhaps if you could upload the screenshots as pngs next time?

BTW, the terrain transitions for this one look as bad as the original ones for the stone path. They lack proper transitions. (Or is just me? I never liked the stone path terrain because of this)

Pipgirl · Post by **Pipgirl** » June 18th, 2007, 7:48 pm

I've always thought the original stone path was too saturated...

It clashes horrifically with grass.

Edit: To show what I mean, I edited part of the OP's screenshot to brighten/desaturate the original road.

khamul · Post by **khamul** » June 19th, 2007, 12:34 pm

Re: the level of green - where you have a flat rock in a fairly damp environment, a thin film of algae will quickly coat the surface, giving it a green appearance very similar to that of the new tiles, even in clean white light. Good examples are the rocks near a stream or river bed.

IMHO the tiles as-is are perfect for old, rarely used roads - they'd be spot on, for example, for a road through an ancient forest to a ruined castle, or path slowly being reclaimed by a high moor.

So if the saturation of these tiles does get changed further, could we keep the current colouration around, for an old road alias?

EDIT: typo.

theotherhiveking · Post by **theotherhiveking** » June 19th, 2007, 12:38 pm

i find noise in the tile, it's because the screenshot or the it's the original image?.

toms · Post by **toms** » June 19th, 2007, 4:37 pm

Pipgirl wrote:I've always thought the original stone path was too saturated...

It clashes horrifically with grass.

Edit: To show what I mean, I edited part of the OP's screenshot to brighten/desaturate the original road.

IMHO the current one is just fine, and yours looks just less defined.