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Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 17th, 2006, 3:22 am

"Fighting using only skill" might not work too well if you're a troll...and although they can regenerate wounds, they probably still would rather not get hurt in the first place.

Post by **West** » December 17th, 2006, 3:25 am

Ryorin wrote:I'd rather not wear gold plate armor, if you got hit hard you could have not only the weapon stuck in you, but also gold shrapnel. I wouldn't want either. I'd rather fight using only skill to avoid dying.

Gold is very pliable so I doubt shrapnel would be an issue. On the other hand, a certain... deformation of the material is likely to occur on impact, which might also be very unpleasant for the one wearing the armor. Imagine getting a blow to the stomach and a huge dent in your gold breastplate -- you wouldn't be able to straighten up again.

Ryorin · Post by **Ryorin** » December 17th, 2006, 3:26 am

I'm not a Troll now am I? I think getting hurt would throw them into a blind rage but hey.

Post by **Iris** » December 17th, 2006, 2:25 pm

I think a Prince Troll:

- Can't be level 5. It must be level 1 like normal Troll Whelps.
- Can't be called "prince", because Trolls don't have such a hierarchical organization.
- Can't be distinguishable from other Trolls.

Important Trolls seem to be recognized by their strength, by the way, not by their families.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » December 17th, 2006, 2:38 pm

Many of the points made about the troll prince's armor would be perfectly true -- assuming the troll's armor is made of real 24 karat gold.

If the gold has been debased, or if the armor is not made from gold but from something that looks like gold, or if the armor is made from another metal but then gilded, then in any of those cases the objections might not apply.

Gilding, I think, would be the most reasonable option: If the troll prince wears iron armor that has been covered with gold, then he has the best of both worlds -- protection and ornamentation.

Furthermore, some of the objections posted in this thread seem a bit petulant: if someone wants to be creative and have a breed of trolls that is more intelligent than their fellow trolls, why not let him? As long as he provides a reasonable back story, it can work.

EDIT:

Shadow Master wrote:I think a Prince Troll:

- Can't be level 5. It must be level 1 like normal Troll Whelps.

Thus far, I agree.

Shadow Master wrote:- Can't be called "prince", because Trolls don't have such a hierarchical organization.
- Can't be distinguishable from other Trolls.

Important Trolls seem to be recognized by their strength, by the way, not by their families.

All these objections could reasonably be dealt with. One troll is recognized for his strength and becomes a leader. He raises his son to follow in his footsteps. The son does follow in his footsteps and is accepted as the heir apparent -- hence, a troll prince.

As for the armor, perhaps his father captures gilded armor from a defeated enemy and has it refitted for his son. Or maybe an Orc chief whom he has served well gives it to him as a gift. There are ways to make this idea work.

danny_california · December 17th, 2006, 3:20 pm

Temuchin Khan wrote:Many of the points made about the troll prince's armor would be perfectly true -- assuming the troll's armor is made of real 24 karat gold.

If the gold has been debased, or if the armor is not made from gold but from something that looks like gold, or if the armor is made from another metal but then gilded, then in any of those cases the objections might not apply.

Gilding, I think, would be the most reasonable option: If the troll prince wears iron armor that has been covered with gold, then he has the best of both worlds -- protection and ornamentation.

Furthermore, some of the objections posted in this thread seem a bit petulant: if someone wants to be creative and have a breed of trolls that is more intelligent than their fellow trolls, why not let him? As long as he provides a reasonable back story, it can work.

EDIT:
Shadow Master wrote:I think a Prince Troll:

- Can't be level 5. It must be level 1 like normal Troll Whelps.
Thus far, I agree.

Shadow Master wrote:- Can't be called "prince", because Trolls don't have such a hierarchical organization.
- Can't be distinguishable from other Trolls.

Important Trolls seem to be recognized by their strength, by the way, not by their families.
All these objections could reasonably be dealt with. One troll is recognized for his strength and becomes a leader. He raises his son to follow in his footsteps. The son does follow in his footsteps and is accepted as the heir apparent -- hence, a troll prince.

As for the armor, perhaps his father captures gilded armor from a defeated enemy and has it refitted for his son. Or maybe an Orc chief whom he has served well gives it to him as a gift. There are ways to make this idea work.

correct...His armor is made of steel and has gold plates on it for decoration...He is level 5 because he is much stronger than an average whelp. He also uses swords. the only resons he is on all fours is because he is crawling through a tunnel if he wants to stand up he woul dhit his head. when he is above on the surface he stands up...he is abnormally tall for a troll.

Post by **Blarumyrran** » December 17th, 2006, 3:23 pm

and he has always "intelligent" trait, casts lightnings and teleports, and in story all wesnoth comes far for his infinite wisdom?

Krispos · Post by **Krispos** » December 17th, 2006, 4:40 pm

Well you can make what ever thing you want, I'm only trying to help ya out. Just look at the Rise of Wesnoth, the "prince" is very weak and is level 1. A prince of Trolls who is that strong and whatnot would easily be made king by killing his father, unless you're now suggesting that Trolls are noble? Also, if he's so damn strong as the "prince" of trolls, what's left for him? He's going to level up to six? seven? How did he start out? If you're saying you can level any troll into a prince, then you'll have a serious conflict of interests at the throne with half a dozen princes and no one stronger than them. Well hey, odder things have happened, I just can't see you justifying this with sense. Oh yeah, and if it's a fantasy game, why can't pigs fly? Why can't dwarves run faster than horses? Why? Because it's a fantasy game based off of stereotypes. Trolls are large, stupid, and power hungry. A prince of Trolls would work about as well as a prince of cavemen riding a dinosaur with a jet engine in his arse.

Temuchin Khan · Post by **Temuchin Khan** » December 17th, 2006, 6:17 pm

Krispos wrote:Well you can make what ever thing you want, I'm only trying to help ya out. Just look at the Rise of Wesnoth, the "prince" is very weak and is level 1. A prince of Trolls who is that strong and whatnot would easily be made king by killing his father, unless you're now suggesting that Trolls are noble? Also, if he's so damn strong as the "prince" of trolls, what's left for him? He's going to level up to six? seven? How did he start out? If you're saying you can level any troll into a prince, then you'll have a serious conflict of interests at the throne with half a dozen princes and no one stronger than them.

Thus far, Danny, Krispos making good points that I think you would do well to heed.

Krispos wrote:Well hey, odder things have happened, I just can't see you justifying this with sense. Oh yeah, and if it's a fantasy game, why can't pigs fly? Why can't dwarves run faster than horses? Why? Because it's a fantasy game based off of stereotypes. Trolls are large, stupid, and power hungry. A prince of Trolls would work about as well as a prince of cavemen riding a dinosaur with a jet engine in his arse.

Well, there are stereotypes in Wesnoth. The key to making Danny's idea work, in my opinion, would be to specify that there is a minority of trolls that break the stereotype, even though the stereotype holds good for the majority of trolls.

Krispos · Post by **Krispos** » December 17th, 2006, 6:27 pm

Alright, sorry if I got worked up Danny. I'll actually post some custom art that I think would resemble your high-bred troll whelp (custom in terms of me editing Danny's "custom" art

) I think you'll like it as it still has the gold plate that you're so fond of, and it has thicker, darker skin do to high breeding, isolating the trait that allows him to be more durable than the other trolls.

Krispos · Post by **Krispos** » December 17th, 2006, 10:09 pm

Here's the "Troll Prince" make-over for a grunt. I can throw in a sword instead of that club if you'd like.

Post by **Blarumyrran** » December 17th, 2006, 10:44 pm

Troll Prince will obviously upgrade into Overdecorated Goldbar:

Post by **Maeglin Dubh** » December 17th, 2006, 11:05 pm

WHY YOU FRONTING ON MY BLING, YO?

I OTTA BUST A CAP IN YO FACE, DAWG!!!!!111

JW · Post by JW » December 17th, 2006, 11:07 pm

Syntax_Error wrote:Troll Prince will obviously upgrade into Overdecorated Goldbar:

Somebody commit this to 1.2.

Now.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 17th, 2006, 11:09 pm

And this from the man whose job is to keep us on-topic...

It's nice to know the police can laugh at themselves...(Please, Maeglin, please tell me you're laughing at yourself now!)