ascendant's goblin pic

ascendant · Post by **ascendant** » August 22nd, 2006, 4:56 pm

I decided to try a goblin pic on my own. This is a very rough draft.

I know about the way too long upper arm, and the left ear's angle. (your view) Is it worth anything?
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About your image, you are IMO missing details, and you should try to add more perspective to it.

PS: anyone likes my new avatar?

jg · Post by jg » August 22nd, 2006, 5:43 pm

I think it is inapproriate to high-jack the thread of '-wight-', hence I will not comment it yet (could a mod please split?).

jg

Post by **turin** » August 23rd, 2006, 1:17 am

I agree.

Flametrooper · Post by **Flametrooper** » August 23rd, 2006, 4:04 am

EARS!!!!! Gah! Those ears are just...way too...BIG. I mean, the first thing I thought when i saw that guy was, "Damn, his ears are as big as his head!"
The rest of the drawing, though, is pretty nice.

-wight- · Post by **-wight-** » August 23rd, 2006, 6:01 am

1. his right arm doesnt join the torsoe right.
2. his shoulders are too broard.
3. his torsoe is to square.
and
4. his stand with too much confidence he is goblin after all.

EARS!!!!! Gah! Those ears are just...way too...BIG.

i agree.

halleck · Post by **halleck** » August 23rd, 2006, 10:25 pm

-wight- wrote:
EARS!!!!! Gah! Those ears are just...way too...BIG.

i agree.

He looks like a tall yoda... Change the ears.

His right arm is very long. I am not sure if it is foreshortening or if his upper arm is 2x the size of his lower arm. If it is foreshortening then his right arm is WAY way too long.

Oreb · Post by **Oreb** » August 24th, 2006, 6:03 am

All of the goblin's in game are hiding behind their spear, they are not a confident warrior. The arms are extremely out of porportion aswell.

ascendant · Post by **ascendant** » September 1st, 2006, 2:32 pm

You were right, it was hi-jacking. Sorry.

I tried to consider your comments and to draw a more clean picture. Here it is.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » September 1st, 2006, 2:41 pm

Getting better, but it's definitely not there yet. The arm holding the spear still looks weird, I think. Try grabbing a broom or something similar and looking in the mirror while you pretend it's a spear, for reference with the pose.

Also, he looks too tall for a goblin to me, I think they're more short and stubby, more like a dwarf but not as tough.

ascendant · Post by **ascendant** » September 1st, 2006, 3:17 pm

Master Stilgar wrote:The arm holding the spear still looks weird, I think.

Maybe. The arm is still drawn a bit messy, I think I'll clean it up or redraw it.

Master Stilgar wrote:Try grabbing a broom or something similar and looking in the mirror while you pretend it's a spear, for reference with the pose.

That's what I did, and it looked alright.

Master Stilgar wrote:Also, he looks too tall for a goblin to me, I think they're more short and stubby, more like a dwarf but not as tough.

For my understanding, his neck is too long.

You helped me, but you have to learn some lessons at art critique.

Master Stilgar wrote:Getting better, but it's definitely not there yet.

This is very anti-constructive. Nothing useful to get out of it, and insulting/discouraging. Please stop posting such opening lines.

JW · Post by JW » September 1st, 2006, 3:34 pm

ascendant wrote:
Master Stilgar wrote:Getting better, but it's definitely not there yet.
This is very anti-constructive. Nothing useful to get out of it, and insulting/discouraging. Please stop posting such opening lines.

Yeah, that's not constructive...

Still, you have a right to ask for the type of replies you want....

Post by **zookeeper** » September 1st, 2006, 4:32 pm

ascendant wrote:
Master Stilgar wrote:Try grabbing a broom or something similar and looking in the mirror while you pretend it's a spear, for reference with the pose.
That's what I did, and it looked alright.

The pose looks like it may have been drawn pretty exactly from a real pose. However, this is a goblin: grab the broom and go back to the mirror, but this time try to pose as a goblin. The current pose is more like something an over-enthusiastic king's guard spearman might stand in, not a pose in which you'd see a fearful weakling goblin.

Post by **Jetrel** » September 2nd, 2006, 8:35 am

Shoulders are not a horizontal line.

Between the neck and shoulders is a wonderful muscle called the trapezoidus.

Google/Wikipedia can tell you what it is.

Try editing this drawing with the sole purpose of adding in a proper trapezoidus, and post the results. You will learn something out of this bargain.

Major hint: The biggest reason (according to both me, and the guy who draws "Spawn") that women appear to have longer, more slender necks than men, is because women generally have a much smaller trapezoidus. The trapezoidus grows up the back of the neck (it's attached there, and is one of the big fellas involved in moving the head), and as it gets bigger, it kinda absorbs the bottom of the neck.

zookeeper wrote:The pose looks like it may have been drawn pretty exactly from a real pose. However, this is a goblin: grab the broom and go back to the mirror, but this time try to pose as a goblin. The current pose is more like something an over-enthusiastic king's guard spearman might stand in, not a pose in which you'd see a fearful weakling goblin.

Very good comment, and one which I suggest you follow, but wait until after you've tried drawing the trapezoidus - the lesson you'll learn from trying is worth it.

Squig · Post by **Squig** » September 3rd, 2006, 12:11 pm

hmm. i happen to have a goblin drawing too...

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Post by **Boucman** » September 3rd, 2006, 12:17 pm

I like it...