Animal era and factions (this thread has been renamed)

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 1st, 2006, 12:02 pm

Hi everyone,
I am going to make a faction that features rats and mice.
I have already made a rough first version of the units list.
I haven't done any artwork yet, I can do some, but I am not an expert in artwork creation. (ie I can make pictures, I can make pretty pictures, but my list of masterpieces is 0.)

There are general things about this faction that were not included in the unit list, but will be mentioned after it.

I look forward to your opinions, constructive criticism and advice.

Cellarmice Unit List First Edition:

Baby Mouse
Neutral
Attacks
3-4 claws melee
2-1 spit ranged slow
Level 0
Movement is 5
Experience to level 18
HP 20
Cost 10gp
Advances to Mousling, Ratling, Wise Mousling

Mousling
Lawful
Attacks
5-4 claws melee
4-3 tailwhip ranged
Level 1
Movement is 5
Experience to lvl 38
HP 34
Cost 16gp
Advances to Spear Mouse, Leader Mouse

Spear Mouse
Lawful
Attacks
6-4 spear melee
8-3 spear ranged
Level 2
Movement is 5
Experience to lvl 62
HP 52
Cost 36 gp
Advances to Warrior Mouse

Warrior Mouse
Lawful
Attacks
9-4 sword melee
12-4 spear ranged
Level 3
Movement is 5
HP 71
Cost 54 gp

Leader Mouse
Lawful
Leadership
Attacks
7-3 sword melee
7-3 spear ranged
Level 2
Movement is 5
Experience to lvl 62
HP 45
Cost 36 gp
Advances to Grand Mouse

Grand Mouse
Lawful
Leadership
Attacks
9-3 sword melee
10-4 spear ranged
Level 3
Movement is 5
HP 64
Cost 52 gp

Wise Mousling
Lawful
Magical, Heals
Attacks
4-3 claws melee
6-3 lighting ranged
Level 1
Movement is 5
Experience to lvl 42
HP 30
Cost 19gp
Advances to Healer Mouse, Mage Mouse

Healer Mouse
Lawful
Magical, Cures
Attacks
5-3 claws melee
7-3 lighting ranged
Level 2
Movement is 5
HP 48
Cost 40gp

Mage Mouse
Lawful
Magical, Heals
Attacks
4-3 claws melee
8-4 lighting ranged
Level 2
Movement is 5
Experience to lvl 84
HP 50
Cost 44gp
Advances to Elder Mouse

Elder Mouse
Lawful
Magical, Cures
Attacks
7-3 claws melee
10-4 lighting ranged
Level 3
Movement is 5
HP 62
Cost 64gp

Ratling
Chaotic
Attacks
7-2 bite melee
4-1 spit ranged slow
Level 1
Movement is 6
Experience to level 36
HP 28
Cost 12gp
Advances to Ratling Sneak, Ratling Sniper

Ratling Sneak
Chaotic
Ambush
Attacks
9-3 bite melee
10-1 dart ranged posion
Level 2
Movement is 7
HP 38
Cost 34gp

Ratling Sniper
Chaotic
Skrimisher, Marksmen
Attacks
7-2 bite melee
8-4 spear poison
Level 2
Movement is 6
Experience to level 64
HP 42
Cost 36gp
Advances to Ratling Murderer

Ratling Murderer
Chaotic
Skrimisher, Marksmen
Attacks
11-2 bite melee
10-4 spear poison
Level 3
Movement is 7
HP 68
Cost 56gp

Unit list finishes here.

The Unit tree is shown below:
0 Baby Mouse
1|! Mousling,|# Ratling,|@ Wise Mousling
2|!Spear Mouse |!Leader Mouse |#Ratling Sneak |#Ratling Sniper |@Healer Mouse |@Mage Mouse
3|!Warrior Mouse |!Grand Mouse |#Ratling Murderer |@Elder Mouse

Key
! Mousling branch
# Ratling branch
@ Wise Mousling branch

Notes:
The race's main strength is their ranged ability, which makes there melee their main weakness. Ratlings gain speed and chaotic nature but lose HP.

I attempted to balance this faction the best I could for a first revision and I am welcome to any advice.

I have the faction's terrain movement and resistance currently residing in my head and will attempt to put it to paper when I can.

As for why mice, well I examined numerous other factions before I started on this one. I found that lots of them were elf or human related that had been split from there brethren at one stage.

So I decided to take the road less travelled.

Hope this helps

Appleman1234

Post by **Viliam** » February 1st, 2006, 12:32 pm

Appleman1234 wrote:I haven't done any artwork yet, I can do some, but I am not an expert in artwork creation. (ie I can make pictures, I can make pretty pictures, but my list of masterpieces is 0.)

I suggest you just make any pictures. They can be later replaced with better pictures; but it is easier to play with less good pictures than without any.

Also what are your plans what to do with this faction? Do you want to make a campaign? (Because that is probably the only thing you can do with a new faction.)

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 1st, 2006, 12:43 pm

Hi everyone,

I am making the first picture (Mousling) now.
I will eventually make a campaign or two related to this faction.
I would like this faction eventually to become playable and balanced in order to play as a multiplayer faction. I will also eventually make an era to go with this faction.

Also some of the unit names are quitle plain and simple and any suggestions or improvements are welcome.

Appleman1234

Website · Post by **Sapient** » February 1st, 2006, 3:07 pm

Don't forget master Splinter!

Post by **Darth Fool** » February 1st, 2006, 3:31 pm

you may want to follow the discussion that went on here:

http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

toms · Post by **toms** » February 1st, 2006, 4:26 pm

How is it possible to have a mouse and an ogre (or troll or yeti) in the same scale?

Post by **Thrawn** » February 1st, 2006, 4:37 pm

toms wrote:How is it possible to have a mouse and an ogre (or troll or yeti) in the same scale?

WINR

call them Skavens--stereotypical rat group name.

Elvish_Pillager · Post by **Elvish_Pillager** » February 1st, 2006, 8:05 pm

Call them Ratmen. In addition to being a lot more obvious, it's a tribute to the old and very good game, Majesty.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » February 1st, 2006, 9:23 pm

I prefer the term Ratkin (i must admit i also liked the term Vermyn).

I still want some rodent-based faction to replace the Outlaws in the Knalgtan Alliance as per my kobold suggestion.

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 1st, 2006, 10:33 pm

Hi everyone,
Thanks for the faction names, they are lot better better than Cellarmice, so I might change the faction name. Ratkin, Vermyn, Ratmen, Skaven are all such good names, I can't decide yet.

Sapient
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:07 am Post subject:
Don't forget master Splinter! Cool

Is this a joke or serious ?, I could make a Master Splinter unit as a one off, but he certainly wouldn't fit in to the faction unit tree.

Thanks Darth Fool, for the link into that discussion, it raised many valid and interesting ideas.

Reply to toms: They are mouselike, so they don't really have the height of mice. There height is just less than the average human. (Key idea, mouselike, mouse based, not mouse sized).

If you were going to use any units of this faction to replace Outlaws, you could use the Ratling Branch with an addition or two.

Thanks for your opinions and ideas so far.

As aforementioned the artwork that I make will take time and be basic and I would appreciate any assistance with this.

To give some background information to this faction,
This faction resides on either a secluded part of Wesnoth (a small valley) or on an medium sized island kingdom between the Great Contient and Wesnoth.

There are two sides to this faction: Mousling side who are proud, hounorable, live by day and are generally not interested in fighting unless they have to.

Ratling side who are nocturnal, very shady characthers who like sneaking up on things and causing general trouble.

Is the number of units ok or should I add more ?

Appleman1234

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 2nd, 2006, 12:08 am

Hi everyone, just adding the first piece of artwork now, It's the mousling standing, it isn't tested or finished and I will continue to work on it. (As you can see it still has template marks around it.)

Appleman1234

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 2nd, 2006, 4:55 am

Hi everyone,
This is the second revision of the Mousling.

Appleman1234

XJaPaN · Post by **XJaPaN** » February 2nd, 2006, 9:34 am

Scary oO

Appleman1234 · Post by **Appleman1234** » February 2nd, 2006, 11:57 am

Hi everyone,

Is that another joke ??, and if so am I supposed to take it positively or negatively ?

I already said that I am not as good as most of the other Wesnoth artists.

Anyhow the Mousling isn't supposed to be scary, that job is filled by the Ratling line, (which I am making the standing picture for now).

My plan is to complete all the standing unit art and then create the unit cfgs, then the faction cfgs, the era cfgs and finally add the animations.

However everything in the plan is flexible and any ideas or opinions are welcome. I would appreciate any help especially with the improvement and creation of the artwork.

Appleman1234

Tux2B · Post by **Tux2B** » February 2nd, 2006, 12:07 pm

If I were you I'd try to make all the cfg files and wait until artists become less busy (they are quite busy, now, in fact).

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