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Hi everybody!
Few minutes before i have read thread about NO FOG clan, and i decided, that if such clan exists, there MUST be opposing clan.
If you sympathize with FOG, and you are ready to defend this idea anytime & anywhere, join our FOG clan today! (join now for 4.99$ ...just kidding)
As liking FOG does not mean disliking NO FOG, members of clan will be allown to play NO FOG games, but they should always keep bothering board creators to make the game with FOG.
Why FOG is okay, and "wesnothish"?
1. Knowing WinR, i would like to remind everybody that ftoh BfW is trying to simulate a skirmish, small battle, where flanking, hiding and scouting is a part of strategy.
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Few minutes before i have read thread about NO FOG clan, and i decided, that if such clan exists, there MUST be opposing clan.
If you sympathize with FOG, and you are ready to defend this idea anytime & anywhere, join our FOG clan today! (join now for 4.99$ ...just kidding)
As liking FOG does not mean disliking NO FOG, members of clan will be allown to play NO FOG games, but they should always keep bothering board creators to make the game with FOG.
Why FOG is okay, and "wesnothish"?
1. Knowing WinR, i would like to remind everybody that ftoh BfW is trying to simulate a skirmish, small battle, where flanking, hiding and scouting is a part of strategy.
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Probably there's no point for me posting here, but i'll raise my PC to 1337 before leaving again ;P -- just kidding.
If flanking, hiding, scouting, was a part of Wesnoth's strategy, all maps would be generated randomly, fog would be mandatory, and the game would suck.
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It was supposed to be basically funny, but my point was, in those items were mandatory parts of Wesnoth strategy, fog would be mandatory. They're option parts, so it's optional.
(Yes, those items still exist without fog, but not in the sense the k-man means them.)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to mocking the rest of k-man's points about why fog is good.
(Yes, those items still exist without fog, but not in the sense the k-man means them.)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to mocking the rest of k-man's points about why fog is good.
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And I hate stupid people.
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Imo it's quite simple: If you want flanking, hiding and scouting to play a significant part of Wesnoth's strategy then fog allows for this.turin wrote:It was supposed to be basically funny, but my point was, in those items were mandatory parts of Wesnoth strategy, fog would be mandatory. They're option parts, so it's optional.
(Yes, those items still exist without fog, but not in the sense the k-man means them.)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to mocking the rest of k-man's points about why fog is good.
Some people like fog, some don't. I don't see the problem since it's optional. Unless one is obsessed with getting everyone else to think the same as oneself that is
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I'm interested in why Kshinji thinks that playing without fog is such an abomination that his view reflects mine.
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OABturin wrote:It was supposed to be basically funny, but my point was, in those items were mandatory parts of Wesnoth strategy, fog would be mandatory. They're option parts, so it's optional.
Maybe Fogging Wesnoth and Fogless Wesnoth should be developed seperately...
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You ought not to worry so much about the Vocal Minority, KShinji. A FOG Clan is completely unnecessary, as Fog is already the standard for serious multiplayer games (2gpv, 70exp, FOW, 100G).
Is it a coincidence that all of the top players play with Fog? It's simply an added dimension, an element of Deep Strategy that anti-fogites would rather not bother with. So, you really ought to just let them play their primitive games. They're a harmless lot.
You've inspired me though, KShinji- I think I'm going to make a Meat Clan to combat all of these vegetarians. They're EVERYWHERE!
Is it a coincidence that all of the top players play with Fog? It's simply an added dimension, an element of Deep Strategy that anti-fogites would rather not bother with. So, you really ought to just let them play their primitive games. They're a harmless lot.
You've inspired me though, KShinji- I think I'm going to make a Meat Clan to combat all of these vegetarians. They're EVERYWHERE!
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because I don't want your hostile disease / to spread all over the world.
I prefer that corner to remain hidden /
without your noses. -Nosebane, Sorcerer Supreme
I always want to play my brother with fog of war, but he hates it, I wander why (might have something to do with me always beating him with it)
he hates 70% exp, 2gpv and 100G too. (his favorite setting being, 5gpv, 30%exp, 500G (vs AI with 1000G) and on a small map with me on his team against about four AI players) Which means that unless I go online I don't get my favorite type of games (and even then they don't have fog of war)
he hates 70% exp, 2gpv and 100G too. (his favorite setting being, 5gpv, 30%exp, 500G (vs AI with 1000G) and on a small map with me on his team against about four AI players) Which means that unless I go online I don't get my favorite type of games (and even then they don't have fog of war)
now I just need to beat tons of people on multiplayer and I will be know as one of the top players!You ought not to worry so much about the Vocal Minority, KShinji. A FOG Clan is completely unnecessary, as Fog is already the standard for serious multiplayer games (2gpv, 70exp, FOW, 100G).
Is it a coincidence that all of the top players play with Fog? It's simply an added dimension, an element of Deep Strategy that anti-fogites would rather not bother with. So, you really ought to just let them play their primitive games. Razz They're a harmless lot.
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Nope. It's because you don't recognize the top players who play without fog. If fog is the standard, and the top players mean the ones best at standard games, and the standard is defined by what the top players play, you have a circular definition.Doc Paterson wrote:Is it a coincidence that all of the top players play with Fog?
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Because there aren't any. Thats the truth. the top players who play with fog play the top players who don't and they still win. but they'd rather play with fog in any case.Elvish Pillager wrote:Nope. It's because you don't recognize the top players who play without fog. If fog is the standard, and the top players mean the ones best at standard games, and the standard is defined by what the top players play, you have a circular definition.Doc Paterson wrote:Is it a coincidence that all of the top players play with Fog?
Thats the evidence. Top players play with fog. end of story.
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