Female Wesnoth - Fencer
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Re: Elvish Fighter - Female Variants
The following images are posted in order to clear several misconceptions regarding the differences of male/female elves in our current stage of wood-elves.
(1) High level male elves share all the same armour.
(2) Differences between current male and female elves are very subtle
(3) Sharpshooter is exception to both (1) and (2)
Conclusion:
In summary we can say, if the chest armour of the male units (Marshal, Champion, Avenger) are identical, then so should be the chest armour for the female ones. Especially if there is already a consistency establish through out the lv2 Ranger and the lv3 Avenger.
In fact thats exactly what I did, I copied the female Avenger chest, pasted it to the male Marshall / Champion and recoloured it in order to rework the male unit into a female unit. Further more I narrowed the shoulders 1px on both sides and lowered the hips too. I even lengthen the hair of both, which doesn't happen at the Avenger or Ranger line.
So I can say that my changes are very lore-friendly and following the non-existing protocol based on the existing male/female elves. Of course I could have done more, but I didn't want to over-do them. I wanted to stay as close to the existing changes as possible. If you still have concerns, you can state them now.
Thanks for your time.
(1) High level male elves share all the same armour.
- Champion, Marshal, Avenger (male) have the same "chest plate"
- Hero and Ranger do too but is irrelevant since they are lv2
- Assuming Captain does as well, but it is not visible due to its stance
- Following .gif proofs my statement, focus is only on the chest which are identical to all 3 units shown.
Exception is lower abdomen, which is the same, but moved 1px sideways to the Avenger due to stance:
(2) Differences between current male and female elves are very subtle
- The only difference in Avenger or Ranger male/female is that shoulder are more narrow and hips is a bit more open or lower
- Proof of of that are int he next to .gif
(3) Sharpshooter is exception to both (1) and (2)
- This line wears different chest clothing. I say clothing, because we can assume that that is no actual armour.
This would explain the lower hp of this unit
- Differences are not only in the stance, but also a thicker arm for the male or longer hair for the female
- Proof of of that are int he next to .gif
Conclusion:
In summary we can say, if the chest armour of the male units (Marshal, Champion, Avenger) are identical, then so should be the chest armour for the female ones. Especially if there is already a consistency establish through out the lv2 Ranger and the lv3 Avenger.
In fact thats exactly what I did, I copied the female Avenger chest, pasted it to the male Marshall / Champion and recoloured it in order to rework the male unit into a female unit. Further more I narrowed the shoulders 1px on both sides and lowered the hips too. I even lengthen the hair of both, which doesn't happen at the Avenger or Ranger line.
So I can say that my changes are very lore-friendly and following the non-existing protocol based on the existing male/female elves. Of course I could have done more, but I didn't want to over-do them. I wanted to stay as close to the existing changes as possible. If you still have concerns, you can state them now.
Thanks for your time.
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stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Elves Misconceptions
Now that I look at your sprite comparisons, the male armor has highlights on the chest as well - I guess it's the small scale of the sprites that put me on the wrong track with my comment.
Re: Elvish Fighter - Female Variants
Nice post! I love the careful comparison and totally agree with what you are doing!
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Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
So here is the first taste on how the fencer line could look like. If anyone is not happy, let me know what I should improve.
stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
not bad maybe longer hair on first 2
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
upon request, here are two versions for the lv1 and lv2 fencer with longer hair.
dont't know if it is necessarily better. also i finished the the first animations, but i will post them some other time.
dont't know if it is necessarily better. also i finished the the first animations, but i will post them some other time.
stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
i think it's at least 1% better i was thinking maybe some hair would cover the front of body to make it more visible, but no idea if it would improve it for real or would add another 1%
otherwise i think it's all good.. like you said before, many female units dont really look 100% female so it would fit the wesnoth standards..
otherwise i think it's all good.. like you said before, many female units dont really look 100% female so it would fit the wesnoth standards..
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
after all, the animations are the more critical aspect since you see stuff you are not supposed to see in base sprite.
we can discuss it there again, once i posted them.
we can discuss it there again, once i posted them.
stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
Awesome that looks fantastic!
Yes definitely that will be the hardest part but well worth it when it is finished!
Creator of: The Reign of The Lords Era,The Gnats Franken Dungeon.
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
Here is the first piece of hard work. How do you feel about this?
My female version attack animation: Male animation for comparison:
Note: that white border on the first frame of my animation is bug from my photoshop. the frames won't have it.
If anyone can recommend another program for display animation .gifs pls let me know
My female version attack animation: Male animation for comparison:
Note: that white border on the first frame of my animation is bug from my photoshop. the frames won't have it.
If anyone can recommend another program for display animation .gifs pls let me know
stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
i cant recommend anything, but possibly free gimp could do it, dont know.
the animations look like fencer increase in size for a time of attack and then comes back to small one
the animations look like fencer increase in size for a time of attack and then comes back to small one
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
thats exactly what happens, the fencer attack animation received a do over at some point in the past.
but you do not notice it in-game
stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
it has the illusion of motion blur with the animation compared to other units. it gives it the idea that its moving faster for being a skirmish unit.
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
that totally makes sense now.
i rendered the animation with the longer hair and I am much more satisfied with it.
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stuff I worked on: Dunefolk Rework - ghype's Daily Art
Re: Female Wesnoth - Fencer
That looks great! I felt that potentially the female variations wouldn't be visible enough due to the motion blur of the fencer's animations. But you have done really well!
The only thing is that I feel like one of the frames of the animations her chest looks a bit flat but it is hard to tell because it is quite fast
Creator of: The Reign of The Lords Era,The Gnats Franken Dungeon.