more item images for multiplayer use

Post by **Jetrel** » February 8th, 2007, 3:09 am

Kaldred: The shadows look good, now.

Eleazar wrote:
Jetryl wrote:Redeth's coins look nice - and are worthy of a commit. The others have coins which are far too large.
So are nearly all naturally small items, swords, rings, potions, flowers, etc.

i'm adding a modified versions of stilgar's first coin pile.

If you haven't already added it, at least shrink them by using the coins from the "gold" status icon instead. Things do get magnified in size, I was just saying that that was above and beyond what was necessary.

YXT · Post by **YXT** » February 8th, 2007, 10:45 am

an armour and weapon pile, don't know how it reads to other people though with all the details squish together.

Woodwizzle · Post by **Woodwizzle** » February 8th, 2007, 2:42 pm

It kinda looks like a dead fish

Post by **zookeeper** » February 8th, 2007, 3:20 pm

Woodwizzle wrote:It kinda looks like a dead fish

I'm not sure whether I like or dislike the tendency of many old games (8-bit and 16-bit era, mostly) to have a few sprites which you see wrong for a year or few (like a pile of armour looks like a dead fish, and you wonder why they made a pile or armour be represented by something that looks like a dead fish) before you finally get how you should be looking at it. On the other hand, it made things more fun because you could, among others, come up with all sorts of funny names for monsters because you had no idea what they were supposed to actually represent while they still looked like car interior heaters or something (but then again, I suppose that was only fun when you were a kid).

Bob_The_Mighty · Post by **Bob_The_Mighty** » February 8th, 2007, 6:48 pm

There were some odd green things that couldn't be killed in the spectrum 48k version of Gauntlet. My brother and I used call them Mr. Doorhandles. I don't think I ever worked out what they were meant to be.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » February 10th, 2007, 4:01 am

Bob_The_Mighty wrote:A sword in a stone

Something like this? It's supposed to be a stone with an anvil, Arthurian style.

Is this too small? Drawn funny? Etc.?

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » February 10th, 2007, 4:16 am

Jetryl wrote:
Eleazar wrote: So are nearly all naturally small items, swords, rings, potions, flowers, etc.

i'm adding a modified versions of stilgar's first coin pile.
If you haven't already added it, at least shrink them by using the coins from the "gold" status icon instead. Things do get magnified in size, I was just saying that that was above and beyond what was necessary.

Yeah, coins that size would be about ideal. I'm not eager to redo it, but someone else may. It's IMHO "good enough" now. If it's in trunk it has a better chance of getting improved.

Kaldred · Post by **Kaldred** » February 16th, 2007, 9:55 pm

Here some new pics from my statues. IÃ‚Â´m very busy currently, but i try to work further on them. With the second one im not satisfied (I have a newer verion of this but i donÃ‚Â´t want remake the pictures

). And the fifth one use the rotten plants of the third, but i will draw them new in the next version.

Some sugesstions to make them better?

A Problem by the ruined one is that the head going out of the hex so they must be used as halo.

Post by **Redeth** » February 16th, 2007, 11:45 pm

Kaldred wrote:Some sugesstions to make them better?

They look quite good. You could add some details like small cracks and imperfections for a better "ancient stone statue" look.

Alternatively, you can go 'heavy metal'...

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » February 17th, 2007, 12:20 am

Kaldred wrote:Here some new pics from my statues. IÃ‚Â´m very busy currently, but i try to work further on them. With the second one im not satisfied (I have a newer verion of this but i donÃ‚Â´t want remake the pictures ). And the fifth one use the rotten plants of the third, but i will draw them new in the next version.

Some sugesstions to make them better?

A Problem by the ruined one is that the head going out of the hex so they must be used as halo.

I'm not sure if items need to stay in hex, terrain doesn't necessarily.

I have no complaints except the top of the decapitated body should have a bit of an outline, and i agree the living vines shown don't look as good as the others.

It would certainly be a monumental achievement if you made these 5 variations of each unit you showed earlier.

Post by **mog** » February 18th, 2007, 3:20 pm

I noticed that lots of the items in wesnoth are 66x66 or 70x70 pixels large. Wesnoth will resize them them to 72x72 and thus make them blurry. Same for images that are too large.

I'm currently fixing the images already in trunk, but please keep this in mind.

This also answers Kaldred's question: Items can't exceed their hex.

Post by **zookeeper** » February 18th, 2007, 3:34 pm

mog wrote:This also answers Kaldred's question: Items can't exceed their hex.

They sure can. All you need to do is to use the halo= key instead of image=.

Bob_The_Mighty · Post by **Bob_The_Mighty** » February 18th, 2007, 5:09 pm

Using the halo key makes the image appear in front of units, which sometimes looks rubbish. It also makes the item visible in the midst of shroud which is not good.

Post by **zookeeper** » February 18th, 2007, 5:30 pm

Bob_The_Mighty wrote:Using the halo key makes the image appear in front of units, which sometimes looks rubbish. It also makes the item visible in the midst of shroud which is not good.

Oh, I see. My bad, I suppose it can't be done then.

Well, I suppose the OpenGL stuff will easily allow this without performance losses when it's done, so I wouldn't personally worry too much about committing larger-than-hex item images to trunk.

Kaldred · Post by **Kaldred** » February 19th, 2007, 12:22 am

mog wrote:This also answers Kaldred's question: Items can't exceed their hex.

Thats was not a question

ImageÃ‚Â´s will cut on the hex borders. Halo can be used, but how Bob_The_Mighty says they are a bad choose if a unit can move on this hex because then the unit will be cover from the item.

But what are the reason that images scaled on the hex?
I think images should be handle like halo with the only different that their layer schould be lie under the units.