Docks & Ships

[GregorR]

I'm developing a campaign that uses docks and ships. I figured others might be vaguely interested. Attached is a screenshot of humans using warships.

Also, if anybody wants information on how I got all of that working, feel free to ask

[turin]

We have limited upload space... perhaps you should link to that screenshot, or post a thumbnail, instead of uploading the whole thing...

PS: I don't like the idea of ships interacting with normal units. How is a spearman throwing a javelin at a ship going to damage it at all? And how would he do a melee attack against it?

[capitol]

great stuff

And a ship is more than wood and cloth, it has to have a crew to operate it, is a spearman kills one of them the ship looses some of its value.

[GregorR]

We have limited upload space... perhaps you should link to that screenshot, or post a thumbnail, instead of uploading the whole thing...

I didn't have anywhere else to put it. Should have put a thumbnail instead, however >_>

PS: I don't like the idea of ships interacting with normal units. How is a spearman throwing a javelin at a ship going to damage it at all? And how would he do a melee attack against it?

The ships can only go in the deep water, the normal units cannot go in deep water, so there's little interaction. They do interact with mermen (the whole reason I made them), but that's all within water, I think it makes enough sense to be worth the added terrain use.

[turin]

humans can go in shallow water, which is always adjacent to deep water. In fact, probably a lot of the fighting would take place there.

In any case, they can interact with mermen. So, can you explain how a single merman does enough damage with his tiny trident to do any damage to a galleon? It seems to me like the riflemen vs. tanks scenario. In real life, no matter how many riflemen shoot at a tank, no matter how long they spend shooting at it, no damage will be done. It seems to me it would be the same with a spear vs. a ship.

[ILikeProgramming]

Will the code be added to WMLFragments?

[scott]

humans can go in shallow water, which is always adjacent to deep water. In fact, probably a lot of the fighting would take place there.

In any case, they can interact with mermen. So, can you explain how a single merman does enough damage with his tiny trident to do any damage to a galleon? It seems to me like the riflemen vs. tanks scenario. In real life, no matter how many riflemen shoot at a tank, no matter how long they spend shooting at it, no damage will be done. It seems to me it would be the same with a spear vs. a ship.

I guess resistances will have to reflect that. If you consider "death" for a ship a hole big enough to cause flooding, and you assume they do not have advanced anti-flooding features modern ships have, then you're in business. By that premise, it does not take much to kill a ship. If you pry back enough wood with your spear or sword to create a hole, you can do it. If you can smash the hull with a hammer, likewise. Fire likewise. Riflemen can shoot out tank treads, but I see your point.

Here's a suggestion, if you need one:
Pierce: 90%
Blade: 80%
Impact: 30%
Fire: -30%
Cold: 100%
Holy: 0%

[turin]

Even if the hull has a decent-sized hole in it, it will take quite a long time for it to flood, even with less than modern ships... so, really, you'd have to kill the unit and then it would get one more turn in which, if it could heal back up above 0 HP, it would still be alive. That would get complex.

PS: Yes, infantrymen can shoot out tank treads. That would make them immobile, not dead.

[xaero_radiance]

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Free images hosting if you guys wanna use it, It'll free up a little space on the forum's...

[Cuyo Quiz]

Even if the hull has a decent-sized hole in it, it will take quite a long time for it to flood, even with less than modern ships... so, really, you'd have to kill the unit and then it would get one more turn in which, if it could heal back up above 0 HP, it would still be alive. That would get complex.

PS: Yes, infantrymen can shoot out tank treads. That would make them immobile, not dead.

I think we can take into account the psychological effect into account too. Hole breaks, people move like crazy, some trying to fight, some trying to scape, some trying to avoid flooding.

In the end, maybe making a hole in the hull can be more effective that raiding the boat, but of course, the crew will attack you when you try to harm the boat.

On tanks: Shoot out the treads, or even better, hop on on the front (you don't attack a tank when it is at full speed with rifles, so i guess the tank isn't going fast), place your gun in that hole by which the driver sees, and finally make a daring shoot out. You can also go by the hatch, eiter way is dangerous, as attacking a boat, to make holes in it owuld be .

[Tomsik]

Cold: 100%

but cold attack could kill humans, in wood you have some water too, when it freezes it ice destroy wood. 20% max i think.

[Rhuvaen]

I'm developing a campaign that uses docks and ships. I figured others might be vaguely interested.

Cool stuff - for a custom campaign. I really appreciate the fact that those that contribute see very different possibilities for the game, and try to utilise them .

I personally find treating ships and other units the same a bit strange. Water combat is not one of the most exciting aspects of the game, due to limited terrains. The early 70% defence mermen and naga have shown this. Presumably these are going to be used as transports. So what happens when it sinks - you lose all your level 3's aboard? Not so exciting.

And a deepwalking horde of WC's can stop a navy, how's that?

It can certainly be thematic for a campaign however, and kudos to you if you can make it work cleanly !

[unsung]

PS: Yes, infantrymen can shoot out tank treads. That would make them immobile, not dead.

no, they can't.

the tread is rubber, the little wheels are pretty immune t orifle fire. you can break the treads, but it can still move, unless th ecrew is unlucky. if they break, run up, and pull part of it off, however........

cuyo, you need a bolt cutter to open a tank hatch, and the crew is armed. plus, the drivers window is bullet proof. and an m1a1 has 3 .50 cal machine guns that can penetrate lightly armored vehicles, and most other tanks have similar weapons, so the infantry would like, you know, die.

anyway, It think it could be a good idea, but ships should have NO interaction wwith anyother unit type.you could make anew teerain type thats 100% impasable to seperate shallow and deep water........

[Disto]

PS: Yes, infantrymen can shoot out tank treads. That would make them immobile, not dead.

no, they can't.

the tread is rubber, the little wheels are pretty immune t orifle fire. you can break the treads, but it can still move, unless th ecrew is unlucky. if they break, run up, and pull part of it off, however........

cuyo, you need a bolt cutter to open a tank hatch, and the crew is armed. plus, the drivers window is bullet proof. and an m1a1 has 3 .50 cal machine guns that can penetrate lightly armored vehicles, and most other tanks have similar weapons, so the infantry would like, you know, die.

anyway, It think it could be a good idea, but ships should have NO interaction wwith anyother unit type.you could make anew teerain type thats 100% impasable to seperate shallow and deep water........

I believe they were using older examples for tanks, but if you think about it, nowadays, we have stuff like anti-tank missiles, which may cause problems for tanks, and if you threw a grenade into the wheels on the tracks it will quite possible immobilise it, also you can blind them with such things as smoke screens so they can't actually see anyone to shoot at, there are many things infantry can do to a tank, but thats generally 100 to 1, so if a group of tanks come along the best idea would be to retreat. Remember a tank can't hide in ditches or bushes whereas a infantryman can... There are many weaknesses to tanks.

[unsung]

the explosion wouyld merely break th etread. it would still fuction unless part was pule doff the wheels or the beak was massive.

u.s. infantry can take one down yes, as can any superpower, but other infantry......

and tanks are made ot work in groups. deploying one alone is considered foolish.


okay, I really need to get around to creating a topic for all the arguments I start about these things.