Legend of the Invincibles

[Raijer]

Having played both IftU and LotI, are the 2 Argan the same? Cause it isn't sure but not really refuted either in your campaign.

Spoiler:

Follows in a good way Wesnoth's history, though i would tend to think Lethalia and Efraim should have destroyed all the shaxtals when they killed Akula.

[Dugi]

The two Argans was a mere coincidence. I have discussed this with Shadowmaster (author of Invasion from the Unknown), and he said that it should stay a random coincidence. Therefore, in LotI, it is said more than once that it probably was a different person, because the Argan from LotI didn't behave that way (allying himself with demons, creating an evil empire, restoring the Shaxtal technology just wasn't his style, the biggest attempt of this kind was the creation of the vampire-like liches in chapter 4, but he said that it was only to kill Delly; he was a general, not a ruler).

Shaxtals:

In chapter 5, you could come to a library where it was written that it was one of the fortresses, so there were more dungeons with remains of older technology. And the enemies you fought there were not Shaxtals, but something else:

After the end of the war the Argazars fought with Rythenians, shaxthals, their greatest invention, started attacking them, considering them to be their enemies as well. They were facing countless enemies, so they had to make sure that no shaxthal can kill them in combat. They created robotic replacements for several body parts, using their organic parts to digest, think, and as parts that can easily regenerate, while all their movement system was replaced by robotic devices. This allowed them to handle the Shaxthals, but prevented them from reproducing, that they noticed after defeating them, and only three women and no men without these upgrades remained by then. With no way to reproduce, they died from age. It is speculated, however, that some of them became liches and still may possibly hide in the depths a cavern system, waiting for something that would allow them to breed offspring. This is a danger for everybody, because it is not known if they would not consider all beings inferior and try to exterminate them.

Shortly, they had to become something like Shaxtals themselves to survive (their mind stayed intact), and these technologies were found by the excavators.

Shaxtals appeared in later chapter 9, but they were called Steelhive instead.

[Konrad2]

i dont know if it is a bug/problem but when i used heal potion on Lethalia and she later leveled up she didnt exactly lose the +10 hp, she now has 109/99 life
will wear for sure out very fast

EDIT: i think you have to adjust the range of awakening enemies in "Lost", with the movement upgrade of the preserved liches it would be possible to kill an enemy leader in the turn you awaken him (my preserved liches have all 9 or 10 mp)

EDIT 2: forgot to mention long ago, i would advise to change the Elvish Overlord description, he isnt anymore a normal fighter who decided to lear faerie fire

[bigkahuna]

I'd first just like to say, holy crap. 190 scenarios, and another chapter coming? I'm impressed. Especially that you've managed to build a fan base that's lasted the entire ride.

That said, it's probably not my thing. At least not yet. We'll see. Sticking with the same characters for ~100 hours is asking a lot, along with the micromanagement of units that an RPG interface requires.

But! I tried out the first few scenarios, then decided to put it aside until I finished some more of the mainline campaigns. I skipped ahead to the 9th chapter from the main menu to get a glance at the long-term endgame, and found a few bugs:

Spoiler:

The introduction and the cutscene went fine, although the intro was very text-heavy. However, then the game gave me a heck of a lot of units. Again, wow. That's a heck of a lot of units you came up with. I obviously didn't have them in the chapters before, since I was skipping around; was this intended?

Then, Lethalia got an AMLA screen, with choices for various upgrades. I picked one. Wesnoth froze up for a while. Eventually, the AMLA screen came back up. This repeated over and over, the upgrades never being applied to Lethalia. I had to exit out of Wesnoth.

Is it just messing up since I skipped around, or is something else going on? Sorry I don't have more information.

[Dugi]

i dont know if it is a bug/problem but when i used heal potion on Lethalia and she later leveled up she didnt exactly lose the +10 hp, she now has 109/99 life

Seems that the potions' effects should be removed before advancing and not after advancing.

i think you have to adjust the range of awakening enemies in "Lost", with the movement upgrade of the preserved liches it would be possible to kill an enemy leader in the turn you awaken him (my preserved liches have all 9 or 10 mp)

These distances were calculated specifically to fit the tunnels, changing it might be quite hard. I'll try to change the terrain.

forgot to mention long ago, i would advise to change the Elvish Overlord description, he isnt anymore a normal fighter who decided to lear faerie fire

Yeah, badly outdated.

I skipped ahead to the 9th chapter from the main menu to get a glance at the long-term endgame, and found a few bugs:

The overly long intro was a revision of events that happened in several previous chapters to introduce to the things that were happening. It does not appear if you have played these chapters before.
And the AMLA problem was not an endless loop, the problem is that you would get smashed very early, so you were given 20 AMLA choices for both leaders. I guess a notice that it is not a bug might be added. Chapter 9 is (intended to be) the most extreme part of the campaign, you'll need a plenty of units and gear and strong leaders. The freeze was probably due to some loading or setting up stuff, it sometimes happens at the beginning of first scenarios, even in other campaigns.

[Raijer]

Question; the book of courage's description simply says "the unit becomes fearless". Is it an instant amelioration, or is there more than that in AMLA (can't really think about how there could be)?

[Dugi]

It instantly becomes fearless, and it cannot be removed. The fearless property is uneasy to manipulate.

[Raijer]

Doesn't even add exp ?

[Dugi]

It should not have any relation with experience.

[bigkahuna]

And the AMLA problem was not an endless loop, the problem is that you would get smashed very early, so you were given 20 AMLA choices for both leaders.

Ah, I see. That's a lot of AMLAs. The problem I had was that after each AMLA, about 45 seconds would pass before the next one would pop up. That's a 30 minute wait if it continued at that rate. Guess it can't be helped with a campaign of this scale (the leaders each have about 50 attributes!).

I don't envy you when it comes to bugtesting.

[Dugi]

It should not take so long, and as far as I remember, the next advancement window appeared almost instantly, it was only delayed by the advancement animation (on 1.10.6, strangely, it took a bit longer on 1.11.2; but that still isn't enough for a broken loop). The long delay was there only for the first time.
What version and OS are you using?

The bugtesting is not so problematic, I have developed methods to locate bugs quite quickly, and in most cases I can guess quite precisely where it is. Most bugs are absolutely normal errors anyway. Most parts were just created and tested step by step and didn't change from that time

[Pannenkoek]

Hi dugi

At first i have to say that i really really really like this campaign allot. At second and the reason why i made this account : iam in chapter 3 now and accumulated 7500 gold on medium. Iam in the scenario where niflheilm freezes the whole town, after defeating the human boss. Btw if are you proceeding from 5 to 7 with units or is 6 a total startover?

Yours,

Pannenkoek

[Raijer]

O_o... I found the glitch item... What am i supposed to do with it ?
Also, i think it's "armory" and not "armoury".
EDIT: Joining the save with the glitch. Killing the "brat" with lethalia should make it appear, even if you can't see it on the map.

[Dugi]

@Pannenkoek
I was decreasing the gold there, but it was not recently. And it might not have been enough. It seems I will have to decrease it even more... 7500 gold looks insane, like if you didn't recruit at all or something...

@Raijer
Can you describe the conditions of its appearance? What unit dropped it? Where? How was it killed? Anything unusual around? Maybe a save file where it's reproducible?
The item itself is just an indication that something went wrong, it tells nothing about the way it appeared, just like the Oops AMLA.
Armory versus armoury: Armory is american english, armoury is british english (my spellcheck is set to british english and it tags armoury as wrong). There are many small spelling differences, that you might not be aware of. LotI is written in British English.

Reason:

Because America produces more crappy music than Britain does.

[Raijer]

Fu. Hoped it would be some special item (since i usually say "glitch" for a bug that can be used to advance fast in the game).