To Lands Unknown 3.9

[bvanevery]

You don't get healing or curing units until very late in this campaign.

This isn't true: You can easily get one master summoner until then. In that long scenarios, you can even get one in one scenario.

I didn't even know that Master Summoners existed at this point, let alone that they had healing abilities or how their circle worked. You're making the mistake of assuming everyone's already played Era of Magic and knows the unit types already. If your army was large and carpet / camel / summoner based, there's a good chance that you've got a lot of Level 2 units, not a Master Summoner.

If you get poisoned by anybody, let alone a powerful Level 3 poisoner, at a minimum you're walking a long ways back to an oasis.

This is also wrong: You are averagely one turn away from an oasis and if you don't know what's before you, it won't be more than 3 turns.

You are assuming that units move well in caves. Not a valid assumption. Also, 3 turns is plenty of time to fall victim to poison, poison, bat.

[fog_of_gold]

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It isn't anymore worth of discussions since Inferno8 already decided to not include this.

[Tet]

Very nice way to get use to the factions. Awesome movie style animation!

There was a late scenario where the turn limit 30 pops up after killing the first boss. I was on turn 17 then and it did not stack! So maybe make it 30 plus what is vasted till than. The solution for the player would be to keep the boss alive. 30 turns basically means running from the start with your leader. So it was a tomato surprise.

I would like less long fightings at the end. I would like a more condenced story (less reading), more dramatic and maybe some romance.

I really liked the graphical maps. The fighting in the rain could be a bid updated. I would like a ship map design based on some more graphical elements (maybe off-topic here, but you seem to be an expert in this field)

I might be wrong. But fighting seems to be a lot to protect the valuable units with a level one spawn as the level 2 and 3 are very good damaged ealers with not so much hitpoints.

[Reepurr]

But fighting seems to be a lot to protect the valuable units with a level one spawn

In my experience, you should do anyway. It's all too easy for a few enemies (in mainline, this is) to get your valuable L2's unless you protect them with a wall of meat.

[Captain_Wrathbow]

There was a late scenario where the turn limit 30 pops up after killing the first boss. I was on turn 17 then and it did not stack! So maybe make it 30 plus what is vasted till than. The solution for the player would be to keep the boss alive. 30 turns basically means running from the start with your leader. So it was a tomato surprise.

I found the turn limit to be a bit too tight. I was fighting with all I had, ignoring tactics I would normally use, such as giving experience and kills to lower-level units, for the sake of trying to recklessly push forward and clear a path for Mehir to keep moving forward.

I finished on turn 30. Barely made it.
My suggestions for fixing this would be (A) make the turn limit less strict, or (B) eliminate those blasted bottlenecks on the 1-hex-thin bridges. It takes forever to get through those.

5) The Last Summoner:
- to extend turn limit by 5.

[Tet]

Here they even need more protection. Basically they can not take any beating. 2 hits can kill a precious unit. But lvl 1 spawn is easy for summoner as long as money is there.

Well 35 is cool. I actually read this. But it does not solve the tomato issue. It should be in 30 or 35 round after the message. Not from the beginning. And what is if you leave the boss alive? No limit at all?

[inferno8]

Well 35 is cool. I actually read this. But it does not solve the tomato issue. It should be in 30 or 35 round after the message. Not from the beginning. And what is if you leave the boss alive? No limit at all?

If you spare his life, the turn limit won't appear. I must admit, this should be changed. I propose to set the turn limit at the beginning of scenario, so there would be no surprises in the middle of the game. Killing the boss won't change anything. Do you agree?

Edit: Lets say you do

[inferno8]

To Lands Unknown v.1.2 is now available!

There are many changes in this release. Most of them affects gameplay and makes it more friendly by reducing a large number of tomato surprises. I have decided to put bvanevery and Captain_Wrathbow in credits due to their helpful comments. Thanks to them I was able to improve my campaign like never before. Thank you once again

[zelima]

hi! I just finished the campaign. At first, it felt a bit un-wesnothy, mostly because of how most of your units can ignore the enemy's terrain defense... it was still one of the most fun campaigns I've played

if Mehir actually had a personality, this would easily be my favorite campaign... I don't know who he is to you, but it felt at one point like his personality could be developed so that i'd want to ship him and Rashti

in my first play (i've never tried easy or hard, just normal), I got to that first battle with the witches - Mag-Magar? and dummy me didn't realize that she could recruit/recall units, so I concluded I'd have to beat it with just Rashti and Mehir and what he could summon. Thinking back to the ALMAs Mehir had been able to get early on, I restarted the campaign and fed all the xp I could to Mehir while he's still level 2, and then I gave him all the treasures I could from the cave. By the end of the game, he had a 24-10 (28-10? don't remember) magical draining melee attack, ~250hp, and was utterly invincible. Heck, he was utterly invincible back when he only had ~130hp... It wouldn't have worked if the amount of xp he needed for ALMAs exponentially increased like it does for every other unit. Although; I could've just spent a while grinding xp in the rescue-the-lizards mission... I love how the scenarios don't have artificial time limits most other campaigns do, but it *is* exploitable.

the ending was disturbing... what happened? Did he die when he tried to enter the abyss? What's the inside like?

as I played I noticed a lot of things that could be said better... I see that the syntax has generally been fixed (notable, painful exception: some of the units in the dharmi line or whatever that's called have "devine spears" instead of "divine spears"), but there are a lot of phrases where the style could be better... "style", she said, not knowing a better word. I'd be glad to help with this if you want me to; what should I do? I've been playing wesnoth for years but I'm super-new to the internals and stuff; heck, this is my first forum post.

[sur.nhm]

hi! I just finished the campaign. At first, it felt a bit un-wesnothy, mostly because of how most of your units can ignore the enemy's terrain defense... it was still one of the most fun campaigns I've played

if Mehir actually had a personality, this would easily be my favorite campaign... I don't know who he is to you, but it felt at one point like his personality could be developed so that i'd want to ship him and Rashti

in my first play (i've never tried easy or hard, just normal), I got to that first battle with the witches - Mag-Magar? and dummy me didn't realize that she could recruit/recall units, so I concluded I'd have to beat it with just Rashti and Mehir and what he could summon. Thinking back to the ALMAs Mehir had been able to get early on, I restarted the campaign and fed all the xp I could to Mehir while he's still level 2, and then I gave him all the treasures I could from the cave. By the end of the game, he had a 24-10 (28-10? don't remember) magical draining melee attack, ~250hp, and was utterly invincible. Heck, he was utterly invincible back when he only had ~130hp... It wouldn't have worked if the amount of xp he needed for ALMAs exponentially increased like it does for every other unit. Although; I could've just spent a while grinding xp in the rescue-the-lizards mission... I love how the scenarios don't have artificial time limits most other campaigns do, but it *is* exploitable.

the ending was disturbing... what happened? Did he die when he tried to enter the abyss? What's the inside like?

as I played I noticed a lot of things that could be said better... I see that the syntax has generally been fixed (notable, painful exception: some of the units in the dharmi line or whatever that's called have "devine spears" instead of "divine spears"), but there are a lot of phrases where the style could be better... "style", she said, not knowing a better word. I'd be glad to help with this if you want me to; what should I do? I've been playing wesnoth for years but I'm super-new to the internals and stuff; heck, this is my first forum post.

Yeah, he's right. The amount of XP required to AMLA should increase exponentially.

[tomo77]

Hi there, Inferno8
i have a problem in TLU with scenario4, that with the canyon and barbarians. in the start of the game i recruited some carpets and sent them to the lizards. i rescued them and killed barbarian and cyclops. then i didnt move with them. when i defeated goblins and the ancient cyclops, the trolls who guarded lizards attacked me. i killed them and went to the lizards with mehir. And now the error. i came to the isle and a liz. chief appeared. but nothing else. than i moved mehir in every hexagon on the isle and about four chiefs appeared. but nothing then... thats all about the problem... i am a noob in wesnoth ,i am only 12, and im using 1,8,2.

besides, my tries to uncower the secret of the sceneery are:
you created a terrain for every hex, and put them together. but, i didnt find the hexes in editor
You created a unit for every scenery and placed it in the bottom of the levels.

and besides again, the warlocks in multiplayer are very similar to dark elves in Extended era.

thanx for your help if there will be any

[sur.nhm]

Hi there, Inferno8
i have a problem in TLU with scenario4, that with the canyon and barbarians. in the start of the game i recruited some carpets and sent them to the lizards. i rescued them and killed barbarian and cyclops. then i didnt move with them. when i defeated goblins and the ancient cyclops, the trolls who guarded lizards attacked me. i killed them and went to the lizards with mehir. And now the error. i came to the isle and a liz. chief appeared. but nothing else. than i moved mehir in every hexagon on the isle and about four chiefs appeared. but nothing then... thats all about the problem... i am a noob in wesnoth ,i am only 12, and im using 1,8,2.

besides, my tries to uncower the secret of the sceneery are:
you created a terrain for every hex, and put them together. but, i didnt find the hexes in editor
You created a unit for every scenery and placed it in the bottom of the levels.

and besides again, the warlocks in multiplayer are very similar to dark elves in Extended era.

thanx for your help if there will be any

Hello there, and welcome to the forums! anyway: are you using TLU's latest version? If not, upgrade.
(I8, I remember the DB problem cropping up a few pages earlier. Have you fixed it?)
Now, about the terrains: I suppose you wouldn't. This campaign's major innovation is its terrain, and it needs very complex WML. I don't think that I8 did the extra work of wiring it to the editor, and I don't blame him. It's a lot of work.
Oh, and about the warlocks: they should be named Tharis by now (I8, it seems you haven't upgraded the campaign in that respect), and anyway, I'll hazard a guess and say that they have similar inspiration.
(And BTW, try to use correct grammar. It makes your post much more readable.)

[inferno8]

Yeah, he's right. The amount of XP required to AMLA should increase exponentially.

Maybe +20% to required experience per advancement? It would look like this: 100->120->144->172->207...

if Mehir actually had a personality, this would easily be my favorite campaign... I don't know who he is to you, but it felt at one point like his personality could be developed so that i'd want to ship him and Rashti

Well, this campaign is about Summoners, not about Mehir, but

Spoiler:

there is a strong possibility that he and Rashti will return on your screens with developed personalities in one of upcoming campaigns...

as I played I noticed a lot of things that could be said better... I see that the syntax has generally been fixed (notable, painful exception: some of the units in the dharmi line or whatever that's called have "devine spears" instead of "divine spears"), but there are a lot of phrases where the style could be better... "style", she said, not knowing a better word. I'd be glad to help with this if you want me to

Your help would be greatly appreciated. You can always send me a pm with your observations and suggestions.

i have a problem in TLU with scenario4, that with the canyon and barbarians.

I thought I have fixed that error. Do you remember, which version of the campaign you have? Also, I would like to see a replay of your game. Could you attach it?

besides, my tries to uncower the secret of the scenery are:
you created a terrain for every hex, and put them together. but, i didnt find the hexes in editor
You created a unit for every scenery and placed it in the bottom of the levels.

No and no I created giant terrain graphics and placed them on maps using Wesnoth Mark-up Language

I8, I remember the DB problem cropping up a few pages earlier. Have you fixed it?

Which problem? I don't remember any

Oh, and about the warlocks: they should be named Tharis by now (I8, it seems you haven't upgraded the campaign in that respect)

Next time.

and anyway, I'll hazard a guess and say that they have similar inspiration.

Yes, the Dark Elves from EE were a great inspiration for me. Now everything has evolved. I am going to renovate the whole faction and give it a brand new look.

[Maramros]

I believe the database in question was one I mentioned, that in the Fire Canyons scenario, moving to a certain hex (I think it was 28.51 or somewhere near there, I'd have to check to make sure) 'freed' a shaman every time you moved there, rather than the first rime only. Oh, and if the ogre starts pushing the lizards across, it's whatever tile he stops on. The other problem I mentioned was that if you use carpet riders and free the lizards before destroying the barbarian leader, the objectives don't change properly, and you can't win the scenario. But that was in the old version, I don't know whether those have been fixed or not. And if those weren't the relevant DB problems, then there's something else.

[Captain_Wrathbow]

I have decided to put bvanevery and Captain_Wrathbow in credits due to their helpful comments.

Seriously?! Wow... wasn't expecting that... uh, thanks.