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How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by Ventulus » January 26th, 2013, 12:16 pm

I am now translating the http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Geography_of_Wesnoth to Chinese. How do you read "Irdya"?
Irdya
The name of the world in which the kingdom of Wesnoth is situated is "Irdya". This term is , however, only rarely used in the era depicted by the main map. People normally just say "the world" or, poetically, "the wide green world".
"Ir" to pronounce /iə/ or /i:/ or /ai/ or /aiə/?
"dya " to pronounce /dəʒa:/ or /diʒa:/ or /da:/ ?

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by Lord-Knightmare » January 26th, 2013, 12:30 pm

I just pronounce Irdya like this: eir-dia

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by tr0ll » January 26th, 2013, 1:02 pm

Irdya reminds me of the German word "Erde" (which means "Earth"). i dont know if there is an ancient Wesnoth language from which the names are derived.

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by shadowm » January 27th, 2013, 2:18 am

I came up with the name first (for IftU), and then ESR appropriated it for mainline following a brainstorming session (early 2008) we had for some UMC era that never came to fruition; so some may say I still have some kind of authority on the name, I guess?

The name originally cropped up in IftU scenario 9 (The Library) as Irya, but I replaced it with Irdya in r5126 (mid 2009) for reasons I do not remember anymore. In fact, it’s far more likely that the introduction of the ‘d’ was a typo since ‘r’ and ‘d’ are so close to each other on QWERTY keyboards. It is also possible that I had typoed it during my conversation with ESR first, and then proceeded to replace the previous name in IftU because Irdya sounded so much better.

What I do remember and know for sure is that I have always pronounced Irdya as though it was written and pronounced “Irdia” in Spanish, although I tend to pronounce the initial vowel as a /ɪ/ sound.

Sorry if this may disappoint the linguists in the audience, but I rarely give much thought to this kind of thing.
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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by Blarumyrran » January 27th, 2013, 5:11 am

Ventulus wrote:I am now translating the http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Geography_of_Wesnoth to Chinese. How do you read "Irdya"?
You don't. If you have any decency, you will ignore the word and not spread it through translations. Just leave out all sections of the wiki that contain it.

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by shadowm » January 27th, 2013, 5:19 am

Blarumyrran wrote:You don't. If you have any decency, you will ignore the word and not spread it through translations. Just leave out all sections of the wiki that contain it.
Could you elaborate, please?
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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by Espreon » January 28th, 2013, 12:40 am

I say something like /ɜrdjə/ (or perhaps /ɜrdiə/)... without yod coalescence, of course, so the /dj/ isn’t realized as [dʒ].

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by ancestral » January 29th, 2013, 2:52 am

Blarumyrran wrote:
Ventulus wrote:I am now translating the http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Geography_of_Wesnoth to Chinese. How do you read "Irdya"?
You don't. If you have any decency, you will ignore the word and not spread it through translations. Just leave out all sections of the wiki that contain it.
I think Blarumyrran means, or at least what I think, is don’t translate it. Can you write “Irdya” in roman letters on the Chinese page?
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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by shadowm » January 29th, 2013, 3:00 am

ancestral wrote:I think Blarumyrran means, or at least what I think, is don’t translate it. Can you write “Irdya” in roman letters on the Chinese page?
If my memory serves, that is not really what he means.

Either way, it is common in languages that don’t use the Latin script to transliterate foreign words like that; hence the importance of the original pronunciation.
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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by Mefisto » January 29th, 2013, 4:10 pm

shadowmaster wrote: What I do remember and know for sure is that I have always pronounced Irdya as though it was written and pronounced “Irdia” in Spanish, although I tend to pronounce the initial vowel as a /ɪ/ sound.
At least Polish translators wouldn't have any problems with this because it is exactly how the Poles would naturally spell this name. :)

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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by UnwiseOwl » January 29th, 2013, 11:09 pm

ancestral wrote:
Blarumyrran wrote:I am now translating the http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Geography_of_Wesnoth to Chinese. How do you read "Irdya"?

You don't. If you have any decency, you will ignore the word and not spread it through translations. Just leave out all sections of the wiki that contain it.
I think Blarumyrran means, or at least what I think, is don’t translate it. Can you write “Irdya” in roman letters on the Chinese page?
I think Blarumyrran means: Don't translate it as it is a bad/uneeded piece of lore which could be easily avoided and shouldn't be propogated, possibly should be left off the English translations too.
Not saying that I agree, just saying that that's how I interpreted his comment.
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Re: How do you read "Irdya"?

Post by shadowm » January 29th, 2013, 11:27 pm

UnwiseOwl wrote:I think Blarumyrran means: Don't translate it as it is a bad/uneeded piece of lore which could be easily avoided and shouldn't be propogated, possibly should be left off the English translations too.
Not saying that I agree, just saying that that's how I interpreted his comment.
Well, if that is the case (which is pretty likely since I recall him objecting to the matter before), then all I’ve got to say to that is:

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shadowm@nanacore:~/src/wesnoth$ fgrep -nRI Irdya data/campaigns data/core       
data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter1/01_The_Uprooting.cfg:500:                message= _ "Velon, I swear on the life of Irdya that I will not let you be forgotten while elves yet draw breath to sing."
data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/09_Houses_of_the_Undead.cfg:509:            message=_"I am the will of An-Usrukhar, greatest of mages, he who bestrode Irdya in the morning of time, who sleeps now in a death beyond death until the unmaking of the world."
data/core/units.cfg:105:    # wmllint: general spellings Irdya Wesmere Lintanir Aethenwood
data/core/encyclopedia/geography.cfg:63:    title= _ "Irdya"
data/core/encyclopedia/geography.cfg:64:    text= _ "The name of the world in which the kingdom of <ref>dst='kingdom_wesnoth' text='Wesnoth'</ref> is situated is ‘Irdya’. This term is, however, only rarely used in the era depicted by the main map. People normally just say “the world” or, poetically, “the wide green world”."
And that was not my doing, mind you.

Considering that this topic is a help request, his particular kind of vague comments should really be either explained or avoided entirely, though.

EDIT: Added more mainline instances of the name. I think we can all agree that “the wide green world” sounds like something belonging to kids’ literature, though.
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